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"The Current of Love" #3 of 10
"Filtering out love and connection--
getting past all our filters, symbols and programs.
The current of intentionality that we create with our thought
forms."
Being in touch with the organism; orgasmic sensibility;
reframing our ideations; honing attention to what serves."
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Troimille (yours truly)
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Dohuga: Hello Troimille
Troimille: Good evening, friends.
OneTernura: Evening Barry
RosieF6834: Hello Tromille
Troimille: Hello, high yerself.
Troimille: Hey, Mary! you made it!
Alisnntrnt: we'll see for how long....
Alisnntrnt: will someone please log this session?
Alisnntrnt: i am having probs staying on
Alisnntrnt: i keep getting waol notices
RosieF6834: I can try too.....
Alisnntrnt: thanks
Troimille: I'm autologging, but I get kicked off a lot.
RosieF6834: I have power tools and beleive I can
RosieF6834:
Troimille: Oops, so much for Alisnntrnt-- try again...
Troimille: Do y'all know what we're going to be doing here tonight?
RosieF6834: Learning
Troimille: Did anybody try Homework #2 from last time?
Troimille: Welcome, Vampshrike-- we're getting ready to work on love.
Dohuga: This is my first time
Vampshrike: hello Troimille
Troimille: Welcome, Dohuga-- I hope you'll enjoy.
Dohuga: Thanks
RosieF6834: RosieF, Hi Vamp, Hope you all dont mind
RosieF6834: I invited him
Vampshrike: and thanks for letting me join in
Troimille: Welcome, Lightstrms-- we'll be studying Love tonight. I guess nobody tried Homework 2?
Lightstrms: thanks
Alisnntrnt: is someone logging please?
Troimille: Oh, well-- I'll explain it better at the end of the evening. I am logging.
Alisnntrnt: thanks Barry
RosieF6834: I did not..... actually I deleated it....
RosieF6834: Thinking I already had it saved
RosieF6834: I will try to save to log Mary
Alisnntrnt: rosie, thnks.....your rainbow threw me off i think...
Alisnntrnt: i'm on on 3.0 now. maybe that will work better
Troimille: We'll see, eh?
Dohuga: Alisnn...When I try 4.0 I get booted constantly.
Vampshrike: Sounds like some bad files there Dohuga
Dohuga: Vamp...yes..and this is the second download.
Vampshrike: That happen to me before
Alisnntrnt: ok people....please join me in welcoming back Barry
Vampshrike: Try Defraging your system
Alisnntrnt: for part 3 of his series
Alisnntrnt: which i love btw!
Dohuga: OK Vamp, thanks.
Alisnntrnt: Barry, begin whenever you'd like please
Troimille: :::::::: bows for all the applause ::::::::: Oh, stop that, everybody!
Zensual2U:
Alisnntrnt: lol
Troimille: This is our third session of "The Current of Love". In our first
Troimille: session, we talked about opening to the power of love; last
Troimille: time we discussed the intent of love. This week the theme is
Troimille: how we prevent love, and what it takes to foster love.
Troimille: While we're going through this, it is good to keep in mind the
Troimille: question, "What does all this have to do with Tantra?" Let's
Troimille: start out by asking, "What do I *require* of love?
Troimille: Am I putting obstacles in the way with my expectations? Do
Troimille: I excuse myself by claiming to have high standards, but am
Troimille: really continuing to repeat old patterns of misery?"
Troimille: ... Can any of you relate to that?
Vampshrike: Yes
Dohuga: Hmmmmmm
TaraStarz: Yes..I can ..right now in my life
Troimille: Dohuga? Question?
Dohuga: Not yet....
Troimille: Ok, a little more then...
Troimille: Do you notice that we project our own material onto other
Troimille: people? That means that we ascribe to, and accuse them of
Troimille: perpetrating pain, blame, discomfort and sorrow onto us?
Troimille: Maybe all they are doing is following the instructions on the
Troimille: "kick-me" sign we have attached to our backsides, and
Troimille: hating themselves for it-- is that possible?
Troimille: So now let's look at how we set up our kick-me signs and
Troimille: our predetermined failures. The first thing to notice is that
Troimille: the mechanism in us that responds to each other is
Troimille: primitive; that is, it doesn't matter how much we think we
Troimille: have covered up or "outgrown" our limitations, our self-
Troimille: loathing, our bitternesses and our programmed reactions--
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Troimille: Welcome, those who just joined us-- we really just now got started.
Troimille: By now, somebody should be arguing with me... any questions?
TaraStarz: i chose to be emotionally abused but being quiet to keep the peace
Glover38: first time I've joined u. thx 4 doing this. topics sound wonderful. : )
Troimille: TaraStarz, maybe we could say that you made some choices, but
Troimille: that "emotionally abused" doesn't really describe the choices you
Troimille: made, or what was really happening...?
RosieF6834: I
have been there
RosieF6834: place to be
TaraStarz: I allowed a marriage based on his needs only
Troimille: Here' the ending of my last paragraph:
Troimille: other people still respond to us from this primitive brain
Troimille: structure rather than from the artificial personae we have
Troimille: learned to present to each other, but mostly we fool only
Troimille: ourselves with.
RosieF6834: You just accept the way things are and
RosieF6834: dont feel you have a choice right?
TaraStarz: right Rosie..and you submit to days of silent treatment
Troimille: RosieF6834, actually, we don't have a clue how things *are*, just what
Troimille: we keep making out of it, right?
Troimille: TaraStarz, what I am trying to point out is that the other person is
Troimille: doing what we train them to do.
RosieF6834: yes Barry and accepting it because we do
RosieF6834: not know any better...
TaraStarz: yes..Barry..i agree..and see that now
TaraStarz: but after i learned to love myself..everything changed
RosieF6834: But their is a much more "loving" with-in
RosieF6834: ourselves we all should learn
Tantrea: Well often times we know better we just do not respect our needs above others
Troimille: Tantrea, my point of view is that we are obsessed with our own needs,
Troimille: and buy everyone off to maintain that obsession.
Tantrea: unless abuse is our mentor
Troimille: Tantrea, I am hereby deleting the word "abuse"-- nobody abuses me
Troimille: without my having trained them to do it.
Dohuga: So for whatever reason, at times "abuse" is a need?
Tantrea: that is you. Others do it because it meets a need
Troimille: Let me go on a little more, and maybe you'll see what I'm talking about.
Troimille: And what is the mechanism by which we maintain our illusion?
Troimille: I believe last week we talked about this a little, but now we can
Troimille: look at how the "formatory apparatus" keeps the "mirror of self-
Troimille: reflectlion" in place.
Troimille: The "mirror of self-reflection" is a term from Castaneda's work,
Troimille: and it's all about how we indulge in egomania, even those who
Troimille: are sickly or pathetic.
Troimille: Everything is about *me*, whether it's the rain or if somebody
Troimille: else got some advantage or yet another thing isn't "fair" to me
Troimille: or "somebody owes me", etc. Do you see how this prevents
Troimille: love and intimacy?
Troimille: Is this kind of clear to anybody?
RosieF6834: I do...... You should be free in spirit
RosieF6834: and soul
TaraStarz: Yes..I understand it
Troimille: I have to give a couple of definitions here, though...
Tantrea: certainly it is very clear.
Troimille: The "formatory apparatus" (from Gurdjieff's teaching) is the
Troimille: collection of decoys we use instead of actually ever Thinking or
Troimille: Feeling.
Dohuga: Yes, it's clear
Troimille: It's like a bored, underpaid receptionist who has standardized
Troimille: forms in a limited number of bins, and whose job it is to slap
Troimille: labels out of those bins onto anything that comes in to the
Troimille: office, and then rubberstamps it in the name of one of her
Troimille: bosses, who never speak to each other.
Troimille: Her bosses are named "thinking center", "feeling center",
Troimille: "moving center", "instinctive center" and "sex center." They
Troimille: don't even speak the same language, and they have totally
Troimille: divergent interests.
Troimille: Everything that comes in must get a label from one of the
Troimille: preset bins, or the formatory apparatus discards it if she can't
Troimille: get a close enough fit. The Centers never hear about it.
Troimille: This explains why we can completely miss the signs of love, of
Troimille: conscience, of brilliance, the entire Miraculous! It explains why
Troimille: we can justify to ourselves *everything* that we do, and have
Troimille: no trouble condemning anyone else who does the same thing.
Troimille: And it explains why we ridicule or completely deny anything that
Troimille: doesn't fit our set programming.
Troimille: Well, I know this is a big chuck to swallow down, but who can relate to these ideas?
Dohuga: Who is "we" ? No one is all one thing or the other.
Tantrea: and well put. "me" syndrome
TaraStarz: but our set programming came about through bad experiences..and we close down
Dohuga: Anyone with any concept of their "whole" self could think of themselves in such a compartmen
Dohuga: mentalized way
Troimille: Dohuga, that was my point-- we are composed of all these divergent
Troimille: interests and needs, right?
Dohuga: Certainly we are all many, many things, parts, needs, etc.....
Troimille: TaraStarz, I come from a pathological family, and I can only be grateful
Troimille: it happened just that way.
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TaraStarz: yes..i understand that..same here
Gretalives: here as well
Troimille: TaraStarz, my point is that we have this *tape* that keeps running in
Troimille: our heads, continually saying "I was abused! I was abused!"
RosieF6834: what do you mean by pathological? If I may
RosieF6834: ask?
Troimille: And we have no possibilities until we can either turn the tape off, or
Troimille: turn the sound all the way down.
TaraStarz: Yes.that is true, I am here to find out how to stop the tape! LOL
Gretalives: me tooTara..LOL
Dohuga: Why can't we turn the tape off? We can say, "it happened" and "it's not happening now" and
Troimille: RosieF6834, in my case, my mother was in and out of mental hospitals
Troimille: till she killed herself, and my father was cold and distant, and my older
Troimille: brother was cruel.
BriteFire:
Dohuga: move on......can't we?
Troimille: Dohuga, just telling ourselves another story doesn't change our programming, I find.
Tantrea: We can rise above and learn to love ourselves
Tantrea: abuse or not
RosieF6834: OK Barry I understand
Dohuga: Not another story.....THE story. It happened.
Troimille: BriteFire, I'd just drop down into Quietness, not try to oppose the mechanism.
Dohuga: And it's not happening now.....we can move on. Can't we?
Tantrea: same here Dohuga
Troimille: Dohuga, but it *is* still happening now-- the programming that caused
Troimille: the original pain is still running, limiting and destroying us, till we make
Troimille: some primitive changes in ourselves.
TaraStarz: what about cleansing? getting rid of the negatives?
Dohuga: Oh good..I think it's the primitive changes I've been wanting to hear.
Patience9: i did 5 yrs in therapy and ended it
BriteFire: Troimille....changing the mindset is all that is needed...from that all other healing
BriteFire: can and will occur
Troimille: TaraStarz, we can chase the "negatives" around day and night, and
Troimille: they always be a few steps ahead of us. There is something way more
Troimille: basic to do.
TaraStarz: ok..listening
Dohuga: <~~~~listening
OneTernura: smash the mirror?
Dohuga: LOL OneT
Troimille: BriteFire, I know hundreds of people who use mindset-changing
Tantrea: Learn by Being!!! Loving thyself above all else there by learning to love others also
Troimille: technologies, and they are almost all still in major denial, including
RosieF6834: No way OneT or Dohug
Troimille: myself.
Troimille: OneTernura, we are always "smashing the mirror"-- all it does is keep
Troimille: us in delusion. We have to actually look at the mirror, and see what it
Troimille: shows us.
OneTernura: right.
Vampshrike: your saying to except who we are
Troimille: Tantrea, it couldn't hurt!
BriteFire: Troimille...I cured myself of an incurable personality disorder with it
Tantrea: Oh but it does hurt. But it also cures
Dohuga: Well accepting yourself is basic. Is that where we are?
Troimille: Vampshrike, no I am not saying to "accept who we are"...
BriteFire: there may be hundreds that use it half-heartedly with so-so results
Troimille: ... I am saying to look and start finding out what we've been
Troimille: manifesting, and then start the journey to Who We Are.
Vampshrike: OK
Tantrea: ah ha once again we are Being!
OneTernura: hmm...accept ourselves ...in all our totality of delusion, plastic personae, and ...
Troimille: Tantrea, voila!
RosieF6834: Not accept yourself but actually Understand
RosieF6834: who you are and love yourself..... Make
RosieF6834: yourself better
OneTernura: predispostions for "neeeding" to feel abused? oy! what a charming journey that's gonna be...
OneTernura: but....agreed.
Troimille: OneTernura, I am deliberately not saying "accept"-- just witness
Troimille: impartially-- as if somebody else.
OneTernura: so...it's like in metta meditation...sort of? just "look" at who we are...
TaraStarz: this is excellent advice
Troimille: OneTernura, good point-- needing to *feel* "abused"-- which is an
Troimille: artificial filter for what is really happening and being experienced.
Tantrea: walk that mile in those shoes just forget they are yours until you learn the pain and accept
Tantrea: the differences we accept for others
Tantrea: is actually our own
Troimille: RosieF6834, mostly right, but it still sounds like you're comparing
Troimille: yourself to some standard of goodness.
Troimille: Let me now roll out the rest of tonight's subject...
Troimille: The main way that this apparatus continues to enslave us is to
Troimille: run "tapes" in our heads all day long; these tapes continually
Troimille: fortify our "convictions" that people don't appreciate me enough,
Troimille: that everyone is out to get me, that everything is too much
Troimille: trouble or too silly, and everything that we never grew out of
Troimille: from our 3-year-old's tantrums.
Troimille: We have "creatively" concealed that we are indulging a 3-year-
Troimille: old brat instead of expressing an adult HUMAN without
Troimille: quotation marks.
Troimille: So the first step that we are taught in our inner work is to
Troimille: gradually build up a center of silence in the middle of ourselves,
Troimille: where we have at least a chance to get clear of the self-
Troimille: destructive tapes that keep us running.
Troimille: After we have developed a strong center of silence, we begin to
Troimille: actually have Will, and to be in touch with the Knowledge it
Troimille: takes to express Will.
Troimille: But as we find ourselves, we have no will whatsoever, so it
Troimille: begins with making a lot of tiny choices every day. We will
Troimille: remember to do this only if we commit ourselves to a contract
Troimille: between me and my Ultimate Self.
Troimille: The contract is simple: it says "I am going to set my butt down
Troimille: in my
meditation seat at
Troimille: and "I am going to examine as many of the unconscious
Troimille: decisions I make as possible, without justifying myself or
Troimille: excusing myself."
Troimille: .
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Troimille: Do you see what we have to go through before we can even
Troimille: begin to hope to give and get a contract with another human
Troimille: being to love, honor, cherish, and be loyal to, for the rest of my
Troimille: days, with all my heart?
Troimille: Do we mean anything that we say at all? It's as if every
Troimille: promise I make, whether to myself or to somebody else, has ;)
Troimille: or LOL after it. There is nobody home here to be serious and
Troimille: consistent-- no steward, no master in the house.
Troimille: What can we hope for if we are not even here to know what
Troimille: goes on? Everything will be taken away from us, and we will be
Troimille: none the wiser.
Troimille: Well, friends-- is this too negative or hopeless of a point of view?
Tantrea: not if we make that promise to ourselves
TaraStarz: it's a tough point of view that is probably needed to shake us out of our "habits"
Troimille: But everybody wants "instant" success, and this evolution takes decades-- is it worth it?
Vampshrike: habits are hard to change but not impossible
OneTernura: only negative or hopeless if there's no windex in the house to wipe the mirror off...
Tantrea: is living worth it?
OneTernura: and that's about as "instant" as it gets for some.
Tantrea: it darn well better be
Troimille: Good question-- is it to you?
Gretalives: yes it is hard but worth it
TaraStarz: i hope that it won't take decades of aloneness..
Tantrea: it is me but isit to you/
Troimille: TaraStarz, nope-- but decades of continually sacrificing our precious suffering.
Troimille: Tantrea, yes, dear-- I keep sobbing in gratitude and appreciation for Life.
Tantrea: now we have a sacrifice worth forfeiting
TaraStarz: after going thru this process..how then will we feel "ready" to love properly?
Troimille: TaraStarz,
it's not a matter of "feeling ready"-- we
Troimille: remove all the deadwood.
RosieF6834:
Troimille: RosieF6834, why not?
Tantrea: only loving~~
RosieF6834: Thats what others have instilled upon us
Tantrea: Rosie
TaraStarz: Can we truly love ourselves..if there is still some deadwood? I feel that I love myself now
Tantrea: makes it proper
Gretalives: so much deadwood.. so much deadwood to be removed
RosieF6834: What do you feel "proper Loving" is?
Troimille: Tantrea, mostly what we call "love" is possession and manipulation and
Troimille: shallow gratification, isn't it?
Troimille: TaraStarz, you are still attached to your victimhood-- isn't that in the
Tantrea: shall we determine if love is possession?
Troimille: way of your loving your Self?
Tantrea: not from my standpoint it is giving
Tantrea: and accepting in return
TaraStarz: i feel proper loving is total openess in everything..nothing hidden ..no slanted perceptions
Troimille: Tantrea, we shall *discern*, yes, indeed.
Troimille: TaraStarz, good way to put it-- thanks.
Tantrea: it is the ability to receive that determines the quality we can give
Tantrea: personal opinion of course
Gretalives: Barry- but isnt your point that so many of us are not even conscious that our perceptions
Gretalives: are slanted?
Troimille: Tantrea, of course you are right-- and everything we've looked at
Troimille: tonight is what is in the way of clear receiving-- we've got all these
Troimille: excuses and mechanisms.
Tantrea: deadwood
Troimille: Gretalives,
Troimille: and hidden and filtered and programmed, yes.
Troimille: Actually, there is one more paragraph to wrap up my exposition tonight...
Troimille: .
Troimille: It is uncomfortable to really look into that other mirror -- the Truth -- and
Troimille: find out how out-of-control my life is, what I am really putting out to
Troimille: other people (my "kick-me" sign) instead of what my heart wishes
Troimille: them to know, how much I have lost by being "right" all the time.
Troimille: .
Troimille: So now it's open discussion on these ideas-- what investment do you each have
Troimille: in blocking vulnerability?
Gretalives: Barry - one term you used that i have constanly used .."precious suffering"
Gretalives: my suffering has always ben that to me
SoulMan911: just try dropping those defenses ..seems kike a lot of wasted energy..trying to keep the, up
Gretalives: and as such i have not been willing to let it go
Troimille: Yes, Greta-- why do you say that?
Tantrea: Barry isnt it being vulnerable that allows for being loving and loved
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Gretalives: becuase in some way Barry.. i must love it
Troimille: SoulMan911, more than "kind of"-- without that drain, we are *literally* the Miraculous!
Troimille: Tantrea, exactamento!
Tantrea: and we must be willing to go that extra mile
Troimille: Gretalives, who is "i" that "loves" my suffering???
Gretalives: Barry.. I is the sum of the suffering
Troimille: Gretalives, actually, I-AM-SELF-DIVINE is the entire sum of *conscious* suffering.
Gretalives: yes ... yes
Troimille: ... and our teensy, self-destructive ego-self mechanism is the sum total of all
Troimille: our *un*conscious suffering.
Troimille: Unfortunately, most people go to their graves with only having "experienced" the latter...
Troimille: ... because it is "too much trouble" to drop my suffering!
Gretalives: excatly!
Troimille: ... and besides, "everything is perfect just the way it is, so I don't have to
Troimille: change anything in myself"
SoulMan911: or to afraid to change ...their lives
Tantrea: Ah YES there is a God!!!
Troimille: SoulMan911, yes, WE are afraid to change OUR lives, right.
Troimille: Tantrea, and what's Her name?
Tantrea: LOL Tantrea
Troimille: :::::: Tantrea slaps own back so hard sprains shoulder ::::::::
Gretalives: lol
Troimille: (not-- I don't invoke injury)
Troimille: So, friends-- what could it mean that, without the constant drain, I AM the
Troimille: Miraculous, and without the "protection", I AM Love?
Troimille: (that sounds like unsafe sex, doesn't it?)
SoulMan911: you are pure
SoulMan911: free of all societies hangups
Troimille: SoulMan911, what if there is no "society"??? Maybe it was all oneself always?
SoulMan911: free to explore the real human being that you are
Troimille: SoulMan911, real Human Being- that's a whole nother subject, I think.
Gretalives: tue Barry.. it really was and is only oneself
Tantrea: and enjoy the journey soul
Gretalives: first
SoulMan911: and share the ljourney with others
Troimille: Do you all believe you can just decide to get out from behind the mechanism?
Troimille: It's quite a supercop...
SoulMan911: all begins with a thought
Gretalives: Barry - no I have " decided" so many times
Gretalives: but deciding and actually going through the process
Gretalives: are 2 distinct things
Tantrea: isn't all of life's worthwhile ventures ??
Gretalives: it is easy to " decide" - hardest to " do"
Troimille: The mechanism is a powerful but not terribly observant brute. We can make
Troimille: small changes, and it won't notice. What kinds of changes?
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SoulMan911: once you learn to clearly love yourself ..you begin to look around ..and your senses become
SoulMan911: more aware
Troimille: What small choices can we make a few times a day, to start with?
Troimille: SoulMan911, it's a long way before we can count on loving our Self.
Tantrea: Stop 'meing" and start Being
Joymoon: a very long time
SoulMan911: only long in ones own mind
Troimille: Tantrea, nicely *said*-- now what are the steps to *being*?
Tamerri: perhaps accepting ourselves until we can love ourselves
Gretalives: we can choose to turn off the tape insted of listening to it.. that is a beginning
Tantrea: forgiving
Troimille: SoulMan911, where else is there? I am trying to be pragmatic.
Tantrea: forgetting
Gretalives: yes.. forgiving
Tantrea: beginning
Alisnntrnt: being aware Barry
Troimille: *Forgetting*??? We have already been all too successful at forgetting.
SoulMan911: depends alot on where you have been and what you feel you have to gain or lose
Tantrea: we are seldom successful at forgetting
Troimille: Gretalives, it takes immense Power to turn off the tape-- what are some small
Troimille: steps toward that?
Gretalives: Wow Barry.. you tell me ..PLEASE!!! lol
Troimille: Tantrea, we are speaking of two different kinds of forgetting. You are right that
Troimille: we must drop our issues and agendae.
Vampshrike: forgiving and embrassing and keep it in the past, Move on to a new beginning
Tantrea: well said vamp
Troimille: Gretalives, making a quiet place in ourselves every day, forgiving each time,
Troimille: setting something aside.
Troimille: Vampshrike, embracing yes-- and that brings everything into the *Present*
Troimille: where it belongs-- every part of my self.
Troimille: ... and throwing back everything that does not belong to me.
Vampshrike: but do not let the past weight you down in the present though
Troimille: Vampshrike, done by embracing and forgiving and thanking and committing.
Tantrea: shed the fakery veils and accept who and what we are
Troimille: Tantrea,
I still won't say that, because there is so much to find out about what we
Troimille: We accept way too easily, and what we bought is mostly a crock.
Tantrea: for some perhaps not so for others
Troimille: Tantrea, for tonight, please humor me-- there are enough "back doors" and
Troimille: "reasons" to derail our work.
Tantrea: not looking at back doors Barry just doors.
Tantrea: sorry!!
Troimille: Tantrea, no need sorry-- just trying to get a few ideas out.
Tantrea: trying to give some.
Troimille: Tantrea, what you are saying is fine, but tends to de-emphasize the urgency of
Troimille: this evolutionary work.
Troimille: For me it is urgent because I have always looked in the face of my Death.
Troimille: ... and evolutionary because it has taken 45 years of struggle against sleep.
Troimille: I have to act as if this were my last month on earth, and complete as much as I can.
Troimille: .. and that means to be a vessel of Love.
Troimille: ... to me.
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Troimille: Does anyone else feel an urgency to complete and ascend?
Gretalives: I do
Troimille:
Troimille: Gretalives, what are you willing to give up?
Troimille: What are you willing to accept?
Gretalives: Barry.. i am willing to give up everything.. accept everything
Troimille:
Troimille:
Troimille: THIS grass is right here under my feet.
Troimille: Gretalives, we can't be "willing" to do that yet, because "we" have no *Will*
Troimille: yet. Too fragmented still-- be patient, urgently...
Gretalives: urgently patient?
Troimille: Gretalives, yes-- keep the wish stoked, but watch the timing, watch for signs
Troimille: and clues along the way-- like a hunter.
Gretalives: alright. yes
Troimille: Gretalives, stalk your self till you truly know your Self.
Troimille: Any other questions before I leave?
Alisnntrnt: any assignment for next time Barry?
Troimille: Alisnntrnt, since nobody seems to have attempted it, I am still leaving last
Troimille: week's assignment: Notice whether your "choices" are conscious or
Troimille: habitual. Notice what you really have any choice about. Notice whether
Troimille: you can intend beyond circumstances.
Alisnntrnt: good, this one needs more time
Troimille: Everybody said they understood it, I think, but this is extremely subtle work.
Esnshl4me: Barry, seems to take more than a couple of weeks
Troimille: We are way too facile in congratulating ourselves on our "self-awareness" and
Troimille: our "free will", but we are slaves of every passing push and pull.
Troimille: This exercise is designed to show us how little will we really have, and how
Troimille: automatic our decisions are.
Alisnntrnt: Barry, thanks again for sharing. As always, it has been enjoyable.
Troimille: Until we have somewhat mastered this, we cannot claim to Love-- "it" loves (by
Troimille: manipulating and taking prisoners), "it" communicates (by demanding and
Troimille: throwing tantrums)...
RosieF6834:
Troimille: Questions?
TaraStarz: this was a very good forum for me Barry..thanks
Alisnntrnt: just a comment Barry...this assignment is not easy
Troimille: Alisnntrnt, what are you running into?
Gretalives: Barry. can you once more speak about what it means to "intend"?
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Alisnntrnt: taking the time to really see what i'm doing Barry
Troimille: TaraStarz, I'm glad- it would have been very easy for you to take offense at my
Troimille: "presumption", wouldn't it?
Troimille: Alisnntrnt, right-- and making the contract with yourself.
Alisnntrnt: remaining in the present
Troimille:
Troimille: Gretalives, yes-- Intending:
Alisnntrnt: i've made the contract i think, now i am doing the work
Troimille: Deciding with my heart, putting my head in the service of my heart, being whole
Troimille: and single-purposed.
Troimille: Gretalives, do you understand the way I put it?
Gretalives: yes Barry.. thank you
Troimille: ... Making such a strong Contract that everything else falls away.
Troimille: *Being* my aim.
Troimille: Alisnntrnt, we don't succeed at any of our "contracts" for a while, because we
Troimille: are not yet integrated enough to speak for the majority of my self.
Troimille: (sorry my pronouns are so messy)
Troimille: Ok, is that enough to get started?
Alisnntrnt: yes Barry, for me it is
Esnshl4me: Yes, thanks Barry
Gretalives: yes Barry.. thank you so very much
Troimille: Ok, thank you all for sharing and receiving tonight. Try out these ideas and see
Troimille: if you can confirm any of them, ok?
Alisnntrnt: will do Barry
Gretalives: yes
Troimille: Great-- I'll see you all shining in 2 weeks, just before candlemass, eh?
Alisnntrnt: thanks so much Barry, for being here and sharing
Alisnntrnt: and thanks to all who participated
Troimille: :::::: bows humbly, hits floor ::::::::
Gretalives: :-)
Alisnntrnt: Namaste'
RosieF6834: Thank you Barry
Troimille: Thank you all! Sweet dreams, friends.
Gretalives: Namaste
Esnshl4me: Good night all
RosieF6834: Namaste'