ECSTATIC
AWARENESS #17
The
Expansion of the Eternal Moment into its Ecstatic Components
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HOST LFST Heart: Hello all
HOST LFST RB3000: Good evening, Viet Nam!
(oops, er, I mean, "dear friends" 
HOST LFST RB3000: As soon as everyone is quite ready, we have a wonderful
topic
HOST LFST RB3000: next hour for our class on "Ecstatic
Awareness"
RochelleDo: oh
goody
HOST LFST Heart: Tonight is our 17th class in Ecstatic
HOST LFST Heart: Awareness: "The expansion of the Moment
HOST LFST Heart: into its ecstatic components. " we have semi-
HOST LFST Heart: protocol
Stingraybiker: ok I'm ready to learn
teach from the heart not mind
HOST LFST RB3000: Stingraybiker, tonight's class is oriented toward the link
HOST LFST RB3000: between the Mind and the Feelings.
DCizunas: Was
thinking of that just today 3K, when our church has classes every comes, we all
learn so much.
HOST LFST Heart: <~~~bearing my heart for Sting
HOST LFST RB3000: Welcome, everyone
HOST LFST RB3000: Is anyone unclear about what the term "ecstatic"
might mean
HOST LFST RB3000: in connection with "awareness"?
Zamurito: Clear
as mud 3k
Stingraybiker: I
tingraybiker: Highly energised?
HOST LFST RB3000: The point is that we take almost everything for granted--
we
HOST LFST RB3000: basically see and experience only what we were conditioned
HOST LFST RB3000: to perceive, for the most part, n'est-ce pas?
RochelleDo: for
the most part
HOST LFST RB3000: That is, we have all been societally conditioned, even if
we rebel against it.
HOST LFST RB3000: Furthermore, we apply very little energy toward our
perceiving and cognating.
HOST LFST RB3000: Think of the difference between a magnifying glass and a
HOST LFST RB3000: space-orbiting gamma-ray telescope..
HOST LFST RB3000: With tremendously more intent, energy and effort, we are
HOST LFST RB3000: then able to discern extremely subtle phenomena.
HOST LFST RB3000: The same, I claim, applies to us personally, do you see?
HOST LFST RB3000: Stingraybiker, does that more or less answer your
question?
RochelleDo: I
see.
Stingraybiker: Let me get my glasses
HOST LFST RB3000: Nobody seriously claims that gamma rays don't exist and
HOST LFST RB3000: can't exist, simply because it takes power and
sophistication
HOST LFST RB3000: to perceive them, right?
Stingraybiker: What is the point?
HOST LFST RB3000: By analogy, I am offering that there are worlds beyond
HOST LFST RB3000: comprehension or imagination if we train our attention to
HOST LFST RB3000: perceive in new ways.
Stingraybiker: Agreed
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RochelleDo: yes,
3K
HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, friends, let's begin tonight's class: "The
expansion of the
HOST LFST RB3000: Moment into its ecstatic components." This is not
intended to
HOST LFST RB3000: make rational, common sense, any more than it was rational
HOST LFST RB3000: to believe the Earth was round, 600 years ago.
HOST LFST RB3000: Standing where we stood, without instruments and with
HOST LFST RB3000: hidebound mediaeval church authority telling us what could
HOST LFST RB3000: be true, and what could not, the Earth had to be flat, and
the
HOST LFST RB3000: heavens had to be some sort of bowl going around it.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: Today we are faced with a paradigm shift at least as
radical as
HOST LFST RB3000: a "round-earth-off-to-the-side-of-the-universe."
HOST LFST RB3000: The first component of this "new" paradigm
(except that it has
HOST LFST RB3000: been described in mystical literature for thousands of
years!)
HOST LFST RB3000: is that the "duration" of some "real"
universe, outside of time,
HOST LFST RB3000: is but a single Moment.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: Most religions and mythologies teach about deities and
divine
HOST LFST RB3000: realms, and also dark or nether realms, as having time
frames
HOST LFST RB3000: different from our convention of sequences,
before-and-after,
HOST LFST RB3000: cause-and-effect, "the knowledge of good &
evil," etc.
HOST LFST RB3000: They refer to the laws of these other realms or continua
as
HOST LFST RB3000: "the eternal", "the Miraculous",
"the waters" or other
HOST LFST RB3000: mystifying metaphors.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: And now, even our priests of science are becoming
HOST LFST RB3000: confounded by the nature of the universe as they peer
closer
HOST LFST RB3000: into the froth of the subatomic world, or farther into the
HOST LFST RB3000: relativistic maw of the monstrous Power which has spewed
us
HOST LFST RB3000: into existence.
HOST LFST RB3000: Particles can no longer be required to contain any matter,
nor
HOST LFST RB3000: can their interactions be certain of obeying the forward
HOST LFST RB3000: direction of time nor separation over empty space.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: So now, my friends, let us here confront the mysterious notion
HOST LFST RB3000: of a universe now-and-forever-at-the-very-moment-of-its-
HOST LFST RB3000: inception, here-and-everywhere-as-one-and-the-same-place
HOST LFST RB3000: which, as non-intuitive as it sounds, succeeds in
explaining
HOST LFST RB3000: matters where conventional science must keep adding
"laws"
HOST LFST RB3000: and dimensions and devices to try to flatten the
HOST LFST RB3000: Noumenon/Eschaton into something they can analyze and cut
HOST LFST RB3000: up into "components."
Stingraybiker: Karma seems to be some strange mistery to humanity
RochelleDo: What
could be more miraculous than this moment ?
Rebspirit1: Rochelle..agree.
Rebspirit1: Why
complicate the simple with all sorts of adjectives and adverbs
RochelleDo: it
is required for some
Stingraybiker: karma?
HOST LFST RB3000: I have my own answer to these questions, if you would
like.
Stingraybiker: see I sense the truth
RochelleDo: 3k
yes
Rebspirit1: Sting..maybe
we all have our own truth and one is as good as the other
RochelleDo: same
with the various tarot decks
HOST LFST RB3000: I will be explaining this more tonight, and in the coming
HOST LFST RB3000: weeks, but I'll say a bit about it here...
HOST LFST RB3000: First of all, "this moment" is not a simple
thing at all-- it is
HOST LFST RB3000: filled with everything that everyone has every brought to
this
HOST LFST RB3000: moment. ...
RochelleDo: can
it not be simple?
HOST LFST RB3000: ... Life functions are always going on, the planets and
stars
HOST LFST RB3000: are always interacting, radiating, exploding, swirling...
Rebspirit1: LFST...beg
to differ. The moment is all we have. Therefore, it is quite simple
RochelleDo: this
moment does best in simplicity, no?
Rebspirit1: Wing...agree
with you...a bit of confusion for me too
Herbdeva: this
moment contains the center of your universe if life is eternal
HOST LFST RB3000: Rebspirit, well, if you are interested, stick around for
the next
HOST LFST RB3000: hour and see if something in this intrigues you.
Stingraybiker: DEAR HOST Does meditation consume or eradicate karma?
Rebspirit1: 3000...This
does intrigue me.
RochelleDo: but
I am intrigued by the topic, so what 3000 says is
RochelleDo: good
to read
HOST LFST RB3000: Stingraybiker, I actually don't believe in karma, so I
don't have an opinion.
Herbdeva: neither
sting, but it can make you aware of it
Mimishuff: the
only constant in any moment is change regardless of the year
Herbdeva: karma
is you reap what you sow, every action has an equal opposite
HOST LFST RB3000: Stingraybiker, but I will say that whatever way that you
quiet
HOST LFST RB3000: your mind is essential for the task I am presenting here.
JacobJG: the
"worst" human can skate, the "best" human can be
consumed... no karma
RochelleDo: But,
3K, does that mean its just energy without balance?
Stingraybiker: You don't believe in the law of actiion vs reaction, dear teacher?
HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, doesn't it *always* find balance, no matter
what?
Herbdeva: worst
and best are subjective
RochelleDo: ah,
there you have valid point
Rebspirit1: Sting...that
is the law of cause and effect and functions differently
JacobJG: HERB,
that's why I put them in quotes...
JacobJG: my
point is that there is no "reward" or "hell"
Herbdeva: isnt'
balance other way of saying karma
JacobJG: no
"punishment" that comes to those who abuse others
Rebspirit1: Sting..in
the moment we can change the world forever by our choices. .then reap the law
Herbdeva: too
true jacob
JacobJG: thanks
herb
Rebspirit1: Mimi...soul
is soul....
Stingraybiker: I hoght NEW-AGE meant understanding the LAW OF KARMA
Herbdeva: explain
ecstatic components??
HOST LFST RB3000: Stingraybiker, not necessarily, I guess.
Herbdeva: new
age is living with each truth with no judgement from others
JacobJG: herb,
as humans, we judge as naturally as breathing, I think impossible not to
HOST LFST RB3000: Herbdeva, that is exactly what I am about to do.
HOST LFST RB3000: ***** All right, friends -- those are all wonderful
thoughts
HOST LFST RB3000: you've brought up. Now let us delve into the second half
of
HOST LFST RB3000: tonight's presentation: "Ecstatic Components of the
Moment" -
HOST LFST RB3000: - what on earth could those be?
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: In order for this part of the discussion to really make
"sense",
HOST LFST RB3000: I'll need you to have been doing the exercises we've been
HOST LFST RB3000: talking about, for maybe 20 or 30 years. Short of that we
can
HOST LFST RB3000: at least take a look at what you're likely to find.
Rebspirit1: I
have been doing spiritual exercises since 74..think that qualifies me
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: The first thing we'll need to understand is how infinite
HOST LFST RB3000: universes emanate from a single-pointed moment,
HOST LFST RB3000: holographically; that is, something that has no extension
HOST LFST RB3000: whatsoever suddenly impulses 15 billion years of history
and
HOST LFST RB3000: 15 billion light-years of "space."
HOST LFST RB3000: Of course, it UNimpulses right back to
"neverwas" in the same
HOST LFST RB3000: moment. (There, that wasn't so hard, was it?
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: By the way, this "explains" how the Eschaton can
be sitting at
HOST LFST RB3000: both ends of history at the same "time,"
simultaneously
HOST LFST RB3000: emanating and reabsorbing all creation. But it would be fair to
HOST LFST RB3000: ask, "What does that have to do with me, with my
HOST LFST RB3000: possibilities?"
HOST LFST RB3000: .
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HOST LFST RB3000: There are several "answers" to that, on
different levels. One is
HOST LFST RB3000: that there is only one single Consciousness period. So if you
HOST LFST RB3000: are conscious, you're <IT>! Now here's the kicker:
HOST LFST RB3000: Everything that you have experienced and can experience in
HOST LFST RB3000: this universe is exactly a momentary fixation of the one
HOST LFST RB3000: Consciousness.
That is, you (or I) and your whole reality are
HOST LFST RB3000: a bubble of "sticking" of awareness.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: A crucial corollary of this point is that, if you can
become
HOST LFST RB3000: aware of your Awareness, you can deliberately
"stick" any
HOST LFST RB3000: reality, any possible or impossible universe.
HOST LFST RB3000: Actually, it turns out that you DO, unconsciously, but
most of
HOST LFST RB3000: these lack enough inherent integrity and consistency to
HOST LFST RB3000: persist long enough for your local consciousness to take
into
HOST LFST RB3000: account, like dreams at night that evaporate upon your
HOST LFST RB3000: awakening.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: (For example, "this" reality is just such a
sticking point
HOST LFST RB3000: The topper of this idea is that, once you have developed
an
HOST LFST RB3000: exquisitely keen and steady attention through protracted
HOST LFST RB3000: efforts and discipline, you may find that you can actually
HOST LFST RB3000: freeze the frames of any of these expansions, not just
HOST LFST RB3000: visually,
HOST LFST RB3000: but on all channels, holistically. Then you can realize
all that
HOST LFST RB3000: bundles of "decisions" of attention with which
you have
HOST LFST RB3000: assembled each feature of your reality.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
JacobJG: nicely
said, Barry
HOST LFST RB3000: These cognitions are utterly extraordinary, though -- for
a
HOST LFST RB3000: long time, they last for only the merest flash at a time,
in
HOST LFST RB3000: states of grace -- ecstatic moments of grace, in which
HOST LFST RB3000: everything you are is suddenly connected up, and you
HOST LFST RB3000: remember all the moments of your life in which you realize
HOST LFST RB3000: this simultaneously.
And then you forget again.
HOST LFST RB3000: **** The floor is back open for discussion. I know this is
kind
HOST LFST RB3000: of heavy, so take your time to scroll up and contemplate. I'd
HOST LFST RB3000: especially like to hear what kinds of flashes you have
had, and
HOST LFST RB3000: what led you to them, and how they changed your life. Go
HOST LFST RB3000: right ahead now please. ........
JacobJG: what's
an Eschaton?
RochelleDo: we
each be part of the hologram?
RochelleDo: that
makes us one
RochelleDo: so
here we are
RochelleDo: but
how could it be otherwise?
RochelleDo: you
forget to relearn, no?
JacobJG: Like
Michael Jordan, being in the ZONE
Herbdeva: I've
been reading metaphysics for 30 years and still don't know what your talking
about
RochelleDo: to
know it all means we have nothing more to learn?
JacobJG: herb,
really? it fits well with Conversations with God and such...
HOST LFST RB3000: Herbdeva, does that help a little, about "ecstatic
components"?
RochelleDo: hence,
relearning
JacobJG: it
all comes back to us being God's way of keeping from being bored with eternity
and
JacobJG: infinity
Herbdeva: i'm
humbly sorry to say but no
JacobJG: that's
the bottom line of all of this
Herbdeva: what
the bottom line,
Herbdeva: lol
HOST LFST RB3000: Herbdeva, in a minute, I'll share some of the books that
have
HOST LFST RB3000: helped me, and maybe you could share some of what you've
HOST LFST RB3000: been reading...?
JacobJG: <in
N.Y. accent.>.. I got your bottom line... RIGHT HERE!! <G>
HOST LFST RB3000: JacobJG, I think you may be right.
ExplrngLfe: LFST
the question now is where are you at this moment ?
JacobJG: thanks,
3K, but how do I not be locked into inactivity by that realization?
HOST LFST RB3000: ExplrngLfe, depends on how you're asking, I guess. "In a
HOST LFST RB3000: body", "on a chair", in "Los
Angeles",...
JacobJG: 3K,
to me, it seems like nothing is worth doing if this is all a cosmic farce....
HOST LFST RB3000: JacobJG, I find I am locked into wonderment by that
realization.
RochelleDo: but,
it is worth doing for all those questing answers or
RochelleDo: direction....
RochelleDo: we
are here to share, too
JacobJG: 3K,
and I'm locked into despair...
ExplrngLfe: LFST
no on your journey if you're on one . What's happening for you ?
Insink22: IMAGIN a state of mind you could go into where you
would simple have total recall of all the dreams you ever dreamed
HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, I'm a solipsist, so I really do everything
just for "myself"
JacobJG: herb,
no forgiveness needed for that
JacobJG: <g>
Herbdeva: I
can recall past lives and existances on other planets and planes is that what
you mean
HOST LFST RB3000: Insink, that is exactly what I am working toward, and I am
making some progress finally
RochelleDo: 3K that be fine but you choose a Host name,
that means
RochelleDo: you
share
Insink22: :::smile:::
HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, make you wonder, doesn't it?
Insink22: a
differant track
RochelleDo: we
can not get there too quickly
Insink22: life
in the "dream " lane
Insink22: to
quick and you go insane
RochelleDo: we
may wish we could
Althy1: I
am wondering if anyone has had experiences of visualizing something so
intensely that it a
Althy1: actually
manifests itself
RochelleDo: if
we are ready
HOST LFST RB3000: (For further reading on tonight's topic, I recommend
"The
HOST LFST RB3000: Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav, "The Tao
of Physics"
HOST LFST RB3000: by Fritjof Capra, "A New Model of the Universe"
and "In Search
HOST LFST RB3000: of the Miraculous" by P.D. Ouspensky, "Star
Wave" by Fred
HOST LFST RB3000: Alan Wolf, and "The Whole Shebang" by another
physicist.)
Herbdeva: I
have, but what this ecstatic stuff
Insink22: yes
if you are ready to go insane
HOST LFST RB3000: (Carlos Castaneda's "Tales of Power", "The
Fire from Within"
HOST LFST RB3000: and "Art of Dreaming" are also tremendously
helpful in
HOST LFST RB3000: working with these ideas. George Gamov's "1-2-3
Infinity"
HOST LFST RB3000: may be out of print, but is one of the books that got me
HOST LFST RB3000: started forty years ago. Take a look at Carl Sagan's
"Contact"
HOST LFST RB3000: also -- the book form has some ideas that didn't come
through
HOST LFST RB3000: clearly in the movie.)
Drpatcrawford: RD...be careful what you wish for...:)))
Grazhopprr: sheesh,
to quote mag,,,,gave up reading for this very reason
Althy1: Please
explain the ecstatic realm
RochelleDo: I
am not wishing tonight
HOST LFST RB3000: Herbdeva, what have you?
Herbdeva: someone
asked if dreamed something then manifested it
Althy1: that
was me
Wingsoligh: Why
not just keep it simple That's so
everyone can understand
Insink22: :::
retreating into dream world now:::
HOST LFST RB3000: Althy, I'll say a little here, but I invite you to check
out the
HOST LFST RB3000: previous sixteen logs of this class in New Age Library II,
as
HOST LFST RB3000: well...
Herbdeva: is
ecstatic realm a plane or state of consciousness or level of develped
awareness?
Insink22: many
go into this state like a trip through disney land with no plan
Althy1: I
am interested in the idea of
visualizing something and it actually manifesting
Insink22: drugs
and rock and roll
Insink22: they
fly high
Insink22: and
come down
HOST LFST RB3000: ... This is a 25-week attempt to say a little about the
ecstatic
HOST LFST RB3000: realms, or rather, the awareness necessary to perceive them.
Herbdeva: insink
to experience what give us example
Drpatcrawford: Yes, IS22 and some of us know from experience and
scientific data
Drpatcrawford: THAT NOT ALL THE RIDES ARE THAT SAFE??!!
Insink22: we
are in a forest and can't see the forest for the trees
HOST LFST RB3000: Herbdeva, all of those, and not really. It is ambiguous from
HOST LFST RB3000: our perspective, because it takes place in more dimensions
HOST LFST RB3000: than we are accustomed to, see?
Insink22: to
shift high we see the valley 200 miles away
JanetGilum: you
do not believe that maybe it might be up to the realms to take us there
Herbdeva: althy
be careful what you envision -- you are responsible for it
Insink22: what
does this help in the forest?
RochelleDo: I
see
Herbdeva: like
being aware of 5 bodies at once
Althy1: Only
peaceful things, herbdeva
HOST LFST RB3000: JanetGilum, yes, to a very great extent, I do believe
that,
HOST LFST RB3000: because here we don't have the kind of power, energy and
HOST LFST RB3000: focus to push ourselves there.
Insink22: they
can take you there.... but where is
there?
Herbdeva: janet
I don't like that up to the realms up to you
HOST LFST RB3000: Herbdeva, sort of like that, I think.
Grazhopprr: 3k--
push ourselves where?
Insink22: to
see the forest in bits
Herbdeva: why
lfst?
HOST LFST RB3000: Grazhopprr, into perception or assemblage of ecstatic
realms.
Drpatcrawford: And just because they build the rides does not, in my
opinion means we do not have free will
Insink22: the
forest that is around us
RochelleDo: we
must not depend on the realms
Grazhopprr: 3k,
why don't we have the power?
ExplrngLfe: LSFT
lets Focus now and get to where ever you want to get to..
RochelleDo: realms
Herbdeva: question??
what the purpose??
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RochelleDo: to
grow
Insink22: it
is good to see the valley 200 miles away so you know there is more
RochelleDo: the
purpose
StarBorn22: are
we talking about realms??
Insink22: if
you can believe it
Insink22: realms
yes
Herbdeva: is
realms planes or levels of awareness or both??
RochelleDo: are
we not all here for growth?
Temshaa: Star,,who
can tel right now..lol
Insink22: worlds
Grazhopprr: herb,
both
Insink22: many
worlds
HOST LFST RB3000: Grazhopprr, because we have spent our lives scattering
what
HOST LFST RB3000: we were given, and wasting our energy on trivia and
HOST LFST RB3000: posturing, for the most part.
StarBorn22: I'm
pretty good in the cleaning of the house realm
Insink22: all
the life on the planet may be in their own worlds
RochelleDo: or
scattering seed?
Insink22: very
different than ours
Grazhopprr: 3k,
but that doesn't mean we haven't got the power, just that we have other plans
HOST LFST RB3000: ... We waste huge amounts of what we need on *image*, for
example.
Herbdeva: this
could sound like trivia also if not the proper perspective
RochelleDo: we
waste nothing if it is part of growth
Temshaa: What
we need??? What does that mean??
HOST LFST RB3000: Grazhopprr, if we *HAD* real plans, that would be power
right there.
StarBorn22: what
do you mean IMAGE?
HOST LFST RB3000: Temshaa, what we need in order to assemble ecstatic
realms.
Insink22: growth
is fine but do we have unlimited
amounts of time
RochelleDo: If
we bellieve we waste, we feel guilty
Temshaa: That's
a blanket statement, isn't it .RB??
Grazhopprr: 3k,
humans are here to be human, blind of their power. it's a choice, not a prison
StarBorn22: we
are trying to create ecstatic realms?
HOST LFST RB3000: Insink, what would you like to do with your limited
time? I've
HOST LFST RB3000: always know what I had to do, since childhood.
Temshaa: If
this is prison...I love it...
RochelleDo: I
will not choose prison
Insink22: guilt
is moot liberation is everything
Insink22: love
it all you want
RochelleDo: this
moment is freedom
HOST LFST RB3000: Grazhopprr, yes, but it becomes a prison once we rescind
the old choices, no?
Temshaa: What
I dont finish now..I'll finish later..whats the rush?
Herbdeva: I
love life too, but there is more
HOST LFST RB3000: Insink, totally agree.
JanetGilum: it
is our choice but also the realms choice to where it takes us and where we go
Insink22: this
moment can lead to true freedom
Grazhopprr: 3k,
it is never a prison at any time. that is always a choice.
Herbdeva: that
your choice tem
HOST LFST RB3000: Temshaa, when would that be?
RochelleDo: if
we choose that, 3K, I guess it is a required choice, no?
JanetGilum: it
is only a prison if we choose to make it one
Temshaa: Who
knows??!! Does it matter RB???
HOST LFST RB3000: Grazhopprr, again, you are correct. I use the "prison" idea to keep
myself moving.
Insink22: it
may matter much!!!
Grazhopprr: there
is no grand poobah to throw you back here for payment of something owed
Temshaa: Matters
if you wish
Grazhopprr: 3k,,,,then
do others the favor of not reflecting your limits on them.
HOST LFST RB3000: Insink, that is my very point I've been attempting to
make.
Temshaa: It
all comes out in the wash...one way or
another
HOST LFST RB3000: (Two weeks from now (we're skipping next week) our subject
HOST LFST RB3000: will be: "The nature of the Divine, and how we
connect to
HOST LFST RB3000: <it>."
Please continue whatever daily practices you are doing
HOST LFST RB3000: -- we'll be using everything that results from them.)
Insink22: if
one believe they are immortal then they don't see the need
ExplrngLfe: LFST Why use any idea to keep yourself moving
..??
RochelleDo: Kinda
good, the Growth process
Drpatcrawford: InSink22, the need for?
Insink22: any
idea like death?
Herbdeva: or
insink they do see the need, it becomes more important
HOST LFST RB3000: ExplrngLfe, please explain your question..
RochelleDo: it
suits us
Insink22: it
is important!!!
Grazhopprr: everyone
moves at their own pace, time spent doing things cannot be regulated by another
Insink22: infinity
is a quest of importance
Insink22: and
the path you take to it
RochelleDo: to
think too much is not good on some topics
ExplrngLfe: LSFT
if you have an idea your moving ,,where is it you think your moving to ?
StarBorn22: I
agree rochelle
RochelleDo: some
are just to be allowed
Insink22: infinity!!!
Insink22: moving
to infinity
Drpatcrawford: Experience vs "mind," "intellect,"
right IS22?
Insink22: you
think it is a "givin"
HOST LFST RB3000: ExplrngLfe, well not to some "place", but to a
far more
HOST LFST RB3000: encompassing and fulfilling perspective.
RochelleDo: within
is the only place
Insink22: within
without
Insink22: same
RochelleDo: words
are too inadequate
ExplrngLfe: LSFT
Why do you feel your not at that prospective ,,Why is it you seem to put it at
a distance?
DCizunas: If
we aren't moving, we are stagnating and falling behind because everything else
is progressing
Drpatcrawford: I agree, ROD
Insink22: it
is far and it is near
Herbdeva: still
need something concrete from this discussion.
Simmarah: DC That is goal change hopefully towards
higher consciousness
RochelleDo: dont
Expect it, Herb
DCizunas: Exactly
Simm
HOST LFST RB3000: (The exercises we have been doing are stopping the
internal
HOST LFST RB3000: dialogue; listening, tasting and feeling on deep,
synaesthesic
HOST LFST RB3000: levels; dream and trance work; chanting and sacred dance;
HOST LFST RB3000: mystical rituals; and consistent meditations of different
kinds.)
Mimishuff: well
seth along time ago...said all things are happening at all times simultaneously
RochelleDo: cant
beat Meditation
Mimishuff: therefore
how can you ever be behind, in front or whatever...only present
Insink22: you
can be present in another world
Mimishuff: chaos
is created when man tries to control spirit...
Wingsoligh: Yes What meditation is a spiritual movement
Yes it is spiritual growth
Insink22: we
are dusking off the link to spirit
Mimishuff: divine
intervention is seen as chaos because it is not what we think spirit should be
Drpatcrawford: Yes, IS22 and some may have more aptitude than
others...some more committed to the discipline
Drpatcrawford: of the learning, we are all at various stages, tho, yes?
Herbdeva: aptitude
does not equal altitude
Mimishuff: exactly
pat...
Simmarah: We
are the Dreamers We are the dream......
Drpatcrawford: And you seem to me pretty evolved, that can be
frustrating...
Wingsoligh: chaos is when man tries to control nature
Drpatcrawford: Nicely put, IS22...:)))
Insink22: we
are the stuff of which dreams are made of
Simmarah: Insink ye
we are the dream
Mimishuff: chaos
is what is created when man tries to control spirit. .it's as if we think if we
Mimishuff: meditate
we will rid our lives of chaos...of change...when in fact change IS the only constant
Drpatcrawford: OK, OK, so don't let us off the hook...:))
Herbdeva: dreams
don't put food on the table for the babies
Stingraybiker: dreams are us.com
Drpatcrawford: Hmmm, Herb, they can help....
Insink22: we
want freedom and freedom is reaching the energy body
Drpatcrawford: What we are doing here employs millions and a view decades
ago
Mimishuff: gotta
dream it before u can be it
Simmarah: MIMI meditation clears the mind thus cleansing A
Significant change
Drpatcrawford: was the dream of a maladjusted 14 yr old named Bill
Gates!:))
Herbdeva: i
agree craw, but have the need to be grounded
Drpatcrawford: A few decades...
Mimishuff: the
key is to be calm amid chaos...chaos doesn't go away...only our reaction to it changes
Drpatcrawford: Of course, Herb...
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08:30 PM
Mimishuff: agrees
with pat...without a dream many inventions would not exist
Insink22: there
is a big picture here are we missing it
JanetGilum: seems
to me that there might or should be a common ground between ecstatic realms and
what
JanetGilum: goes
on in here
Insink22: infinity
is the BIG picture
JanetGilum: like
the many different kinds of religious views coming togethere
Herbdeva: that
my point janet
Drpatcrawford: we are trying our best to, but you are refusing to let us
off the hook...thank you...:))
Insink22: only
the energy body can cross the bridge
HOST LFST RB3000: Well, my dear friends, I think you're doing excellently,
and
HOST LFST RB3000: I've shared what I wanted to. Thank you all for participating
HOST LFST RB3000: with us today.
Angelchakra: ˜¨¯¨˜'°º˜¨¯¨˜'°ºØ{{HOST LFST RB3000}}غ°˜'¨¯¨˜º°˜'¨¯¨˜
Drpatcrawford: Thank you, HOSTS, for your effort...
Insink22: the
big pictue of some is hard to see
HOST LFST RB3000: :::::: bows deeply ::::::
I'll see you all in TWO weeks.