Logue of Ecstatic Awareness Class #16:
How our health and every event in our lives
is made up of observable,
specific decisions that we are constantly
making.
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HOST LFST Tigres: Hi RB3000! We have them
all warmed up for you. :-)
HOST LFST Heart: <bow> 3000
RochelleDo: gosh,
didnt see you 3000 :)))))
HOST LFST Tigres: »§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§« 3000
& Heart »§«:*´`³¤³´`*:»§«
HOST LFST RB3000: (I slid in surreptitiously 
RochelleDo: cant
see the long names in my little box
Khiron1771: 3k....you
sly devil, you...
Gln102: like
that word host rb !!
HOST LFST Tigres: Good night all and thanks for joining us. :-)
HOST LFST RB3000: (Of course my new name here got stuck sideways in the
doorjamb)
SnoLitNite: whats
the next chat about?
HOST LFST RB3000: SnoLitNite, tonight is our sixteenth class in Ecstatic
HOST LFST RB3000: Awareness. This evening's subject is "How our health
and
HOST LFST RB3000: every event in our lives is made up of observable,
specific
HOST LFST RB3000: decisions that we are constantly making."
HOST LFST RB3000: (The topic got stuck sideways in the door too
Khiron1771: oh..
I like that topic! kinda like you are
ultimately responsible for yourself?
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, yes, but tonight we'll be taking that idea to
extremes!
RochelleDo: 3k,
those decisions, how can we know what we
RochelleDo: allow
is okay? Can we?
HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, we'll be looking at that as we go along.
Khiron1771: wow,
3k.....then we need to drop our barriers?
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, can we really just decide to drop our barriers?
HOST LFST RB3000: Good evening, everyone -- tonight is our sixteenth class
in
HOST LFST RB3000: Ecstatic Awareness. This evening's subject is "How
our
HOST LFST RB3000: health and every event in our lives is made up of
observable,
HOST LFST RB3000: specific decisions that we are constantly making."
HOST LFST RB3000: Once again, for those who are joining us for the first
time,
HOST LFST RB3000: the way we are using the word "ecstatic
awareness" here
HOST LFST RB3000: means entering into states of consciousness, accompanied
HOST LFST RB3000: by transformation of being, in which the supernatural and
the
HOST LFST RB3000: Miraculous can be witnessed and experienced directly.
HOST LFST Heart: getting settled, and quiet.....
Khiron1771: 3k...yes. we can.
but only if we become empathic.
Tipherath: oh
darn...how come on Mondays?
M Natural 1: close your eyes look deep in your soul step outside yourself and
let your mind go
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, can we *decide* to be empathic?
DCizunas: MN,
I like that!!
Khiron1771: 3k yes.
we can.
Khiron1771: it
involves being able to step outside yourself.
RochelleDo: or
we can be told we are
Cruxxlin: khir,
like become a spectator out side you...no ego?
HOST LFST RB3000: Well, let's look at all this in context.... here we go
.....................
HOST LFST Heart: semi protocol is in effect please
HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, friends, let's begin tonight's class: "How our
health and
HOST LFST RB3000: every event in our lives is made up of observable, specific
HOST LFST RB3000: decisions that we are constantly making." We all know the
HOST LFST RB3000: drill about how "the world is what we make of
it" or "good
HOST LFST RB3000: things come from positive thinking." So most people
agree
HOST LFST RB3000: that our attitudes affect how things turn out, or at least
HOST LFST RB3000: make things more pleasant.
HOST LFST RB3000: But it turns out that, in esoteric or mystical paradigms,
this
HOST LFST RB3000: idea is taken far more literally. They say that, not only
is the
HOST LFST RB3000: world (including our personal reality) the direct result
of our
HOST LFST RB3000: attitudes, thoughts, yearnings, regrets and the sum total
of
HOST LFST RB3000: our intentions, but (at least in some schools) that there
is no
HOST LFST RB3000: world at all *except* for what we each create.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: Then if I have pain, illness or suffering in my life,
either that I
HOST LFST RB3000: experience or that I witness or hear about, it is only
because
HOST LFST RB3000: of all my underlying resentments, fears, yearnings and,
most
HOST LFST RB3000: of all, inner talking. I am constantly talking myself into
HOST LFST RB3000: defeat, despair, dismay, dishonor, indignation, and sickness.
HOST LFST RB3000: In fact, my inner chatter would rather that I *die* than
HOST LFST RB3000: change.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: This isn't all there is to it, but let's get started...
What have
HOST LFST RB3000: you noticed about how you've talked yourself into or out
of
HOST LFST RB3000: misery? What have you noticed about people with positive
HOST LFST RB3000: attitudes, even when things don't go well? Go ahead now,
HOST LFST RB3000: please -- open floor...........
Khiron1771: it's
not our attitude, but instead our perceptual filter we apply that,
unfortunately, is
Khiron1771: frequently
based upon our own ulterior motives.
Khiron1771: and
if you can drop the filter, you become empathic
Cruxxlin: empathy
is a horrid torture Khir
Cruxxlin: until
one learns how to deal with it
Khiron1771: cruxxy...only
when you apply your own parameters, eh?
Cruxxlin: khir,
i was more concerned with the emotions of 'others' which i
Cruxxlin: or
you might not be prepared for? others 'attitudes' emotionally?
RochelleDo: It
is hard not to notice that some folk with poor
RochelleDo: attitude
get sick more
Tipherath: Heart,
you're telling a consumer to "do it yourself", I
Tipherath: won't
help you...some concept....sorry...now, I'm silent
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, doesn't dropping the filter take a lot of
discipline and
HOST LFST RB3000: balance? I've seen
lots of people suffer because their filters
HOST LFST RB3000: came loose before they were ready.
Khiron1771: Cruxxy...yes,
love.
FlowrNtheWind: Rb, I have talked myself in and out of things like most
people when there is mix emotions
Cruxxlin: you
end up leanring how to block...kinda and its a healthy thing
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RochelleDo: yes,
where to know when one is ready?
DCizunas: I've
never been sick, but what about the things that were "accidental" 3K?
HOST LFST RB3000: FlowrNtheWind, do you concur that these "mixed
emotions" are mainly inner chatter?
Khiron1771: 3k.....it
doesn't take discipline, imho...it takes reverence for each individual's right
Cruxxlin: lfst,
sometimes its the opposite of discipline...more of an acceptance or how things
are
Deermap13: I
like this quote and find it very appropriate here: When the mind is ready, the eyes will
Khiron1771: to
be where they are, to choose their experience.
Cathplay: when
you look at a sickness as a positive or as a need to change it will only get
better
Deermap13: see,
the ears will hear and the heart shall know...Lazo
HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, "accidental" turns out to be just a
particular
HOST LFST RB3000: alignment of attention.
Do you believe that?
Khiron1771: i
do, 3K. we choose to focus.
FlowrNtheWind: Rb, to some extent yes
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, what does it take to be *able* to respect all
life?
FlowrNtheWind: Rb, I think we tak them out to make sure it is right thing to
do or for us
Lorilufri: i
can see how that xould happen 3k
Mtnmama914: love
of life
DCizunas: 3K,
please explain...found out today that arm will never work right which was not
"planned"
Astralspeak: self respect first, in order to respect all life
Khiron1771: 3K.....the
underlying belief that either you've stood upon a particular brick upon a path
or
Khiron1771: will
in the future.....you're immune to no experience.
Yoda0248: One
simply cannot have the belief that one is spirit without realizing ALL is
spirit
HOST LFST RB3000: FlowrNtheWind, but don't we keep ourselves on the squirrel
HOST LFST RB3000: wheel with our "talking things out"?
Mtnmama914: and
one must feed the spirit
Mtnmama914: to
be healthy
HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, "will never" is chatter typical of
that alignment. Who can say
"never"??
FlowrNtheWind: Rb, only for a time until we answer it one way or another
Cruxxlin: nice
way of putting it (((Yoddy))))
Khiron1771: you
only choose at a particular moment in time to *perceive* an experience as to
your
Yoda0248: hey
cruxxi
Khiron1771: very
particular growth process.
Cruxxlin: 
DCizunas: Ah,
understand where you're coming from now 3K, doctors make strides every day
FlowrNtheWind: Life is not as black and white many gray areas inbetween this is where we get talking
HOST LFST RB3000: Yoda, agreed -- all is spirit. No problem with that.
Lorilufri: right,
Flowr
HOST LFST RB3000: FlowrNtheWind, that' is exactly my very point-- we
*decide*
HOST LFST RB3000: on a reality for ourselves, right?
Yoda0248: 3K,
and reverence for all life comes when you may have a problem with my opinion
but don't voice it. J
FlowrNtheWind: Yes we do to some degree
Tipherath: Yoda...3000....what
a setup...hehe
DCizunas: 3K,
like we decide before we start this incarnation??
HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, not really-- I don't even believe in "before
& after"
Khiron1771: DC...we
continue to re-decide.
FlowrNtheWind: DC, I think when we accept this incarnations we take
everything that comes with it
RochelleDo: lots
of lessons to be relearned, no?
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, exactly -- all in the moment, deciding, deciding,
deciding, now. Right?
DCizunas: Khir,
please explain further...: )
Cruxxlin: please
dont go the 'lesson' cliche, ok?
Cathplay: take
it as it comes?
Cruxxlin: its
getting real old in new age
Khiron1771: Yes,
3K. we are a process in evolution. There is NO such thing as static existence.
Yoda0248: "in
the moment" implies that time is linear, when in fact the sum total of our
life maybe onl
RochelleDo: Crux,
so new people cant ask?
Yoda0248: y
one inch wide but ages deep
Khiron1771: We
are continually pulling into us new information, new experience, and deciding
anew.
Tipherath: OK...sub-hosts...when
3000 is out and about, your IMs
Tipherath: should
bring people up to date, WITHOUT sacrasm, just
Tipherath: do
it
Yoda0248: imo
it all matters, past, present and future
Khiron1771: are
you who you were a month ago, a year ago, 10 years ago?????
Khiron1771: of
course not.......
DCizunas: Ah,
agree with you there Khir, just thinking of monumental events
Cruxxlin: i
was making a general comment about the 'lesson' cliche we hear in new age so
often
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, I'm finding that I am reaccessing who I am even 50
years ago.
Cruxxlin: everyone
seems to call it a lesson, and then never address the underlying issues
Khiron1771: you
are a process in the making, and when you allow others the empathy to be the
same, you
Cruxxlin: yes,
life is a lesson, ok, get over that and lets go into details
FlowrNtheWind: Yoda, I agree with ya it all matters
Tipherath: 3000...lol...you
were us
HOST LFST RB3000: Cruxxlin, there is a lot more material to come-- this is
just
HOST LFST RB3000: the intermezzo discussion, see?
Cruxxlin: did
i answer your question 3K?
Khiron1771: become
much less demanding of them, and more loving of the beauty of their creation
FlowrNtheWind: Yoda just acceptting that one cant change the past its gone
Yoda0248: cruxxi,
that leads to repeating same lesson over and over and over
Yoda0248: till
one gets it
HOST LFST RB3000: Tipherath, "us" am "I", eh?
Khiron1771: you
become an empath.
Cruxxlin: its
just become sematically null to me, i apoligize if i got any of that on anyone
hehehe
Yoda0248: Flowr,
I agree to the point that one cannot change the past; however to ignore it
would be
Tipherath: 3000....synomyms
Yoda0248: ignorant
imo
Sting31: ZZZZZ
FlowrNtheWind: Yoda, Agreed
Sting31: bye
HOST LFST RB3000: Cruxxlin, actually, in my coming discussion, you'll see
that I
HOST LFST RB3000: even admit to your observation.
Mtnmama914: be
safe sting
Cruxxlin: we
can not discard anything by calling it a lesson then leaving
Cruxxlin: the
person to hand in the wiwnd learning their 'lesson'
Pleiadian1: great
phraseology: semantically null
Cruxxlin: 3K...i
hope i dont sound antagonistic, i dont mean to.
Tipherath: Cruxxlin...the
thing there is, what's a lesson?
Cruxxlin: tip...apparently...everything
HOST LFST RB3000: On that note, let's go on with tonight's class
HOST LFST RB3000: ......................................................
HOST LFST RB3000: Those are all good comments, my friends. Now let's dig
HOST LFST RB3000: deeper and see how the plastic flux of "reality"
conforms to
HOST LFST RB3000: our inner state.
Please hold comments for a minute while I
HOST LFST RB3000: roll this baby out. ...............................
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: Obviously, I'm not going to be able to *prove* to you that
HOST LFST RB3000: the "phsyical universe" (or even our little part
of it) behaves
HOST LFST RB3000: like a dream, or conforms to quantum wave functions like
HOST LFST RB3000: subatomic particles, or perhaps appears as the merest
HOST LFST RB3000: bubble within the roiling chaos of the ultimate black hole
HOST LFST RB3000: which swallowed us a long "time" ago, or from
which we
HOST LFST RB3000: perhaps never emerged in the first place.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: But neither am I going to ask you to take it on faith, or
HOST LFST RB3000: because "the bible told me so" or because it is the
916th
HOST LFST RB3000: tenet of Buddhism, although you can find this idea in the
HOST LFST RB3000: Vedas and the Zohar and the Upanishads, I suppose, as well
HOST LFST RB3000: as in the ruminations of physicists on the brink of the
HOST LFST RB3000: mystery of the dance of reality,
HOST LFST RB300: in which the experiment conforms to the observer's setup,
HOST LFST RB3000: and time, distance and the origin of the universe no
longer
HOST LFST RB3000: make rational sense. (I'll lay down a study list at the
end of
HOST LFST RB3000: tonight's session.)
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: So that leaves me with demonstrating something to you,
HOST LFST RB3000: leading you up to where you can "hang ten" over
the edge of
HOST LFST RB3000: the world, where "they should have sent a poet"
as Ellie says
HOST LFST RB3000: in "Contact", when she gets to the other end of
the
HOST LFST RB3000: wormhole, where the stuff of "reality" is made
entirely out of
HOST LFST RB3000: the most day-dreamy fantasy.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: My news for you is that it is just that here and now,
where we
HOST LFST RB3000: sit. And I present to you that where you sit is now and
HOST LFST RB3000: always was the origin of the whole universe. I invite you
to
HOST LFST RB3000: witness your own birth -- can you imagine that you are
this
HOST LFST RB3000: very moment dreaming up your own creation, choosing your
HOST LFST RB3000: parents and your childhood context -- your whole history?
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: And now for the coup de grace -- I offer you your Death,
the
HOST LFST RB3000: most amazing portal between worlds, the ultimate wormhole
HOST LFST RB3000: -- not waiting for you when you croak, when your energy
HOST LFST RB3000: body collapses from lack of rejuvenation and illumination,
HOST LFST RB3000: but the Miraculous right along with you, every step of
your
HOST LFST RB3000: life, giving every experience an edge of preciousness, of
HOST LFST RB3000: brilliance, of finality.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: So now, you tell me -- are these just theoretical ideas or
HOST LFST RB3000: fantasies, or do you have experiences in your life that
make
HOST LFST RB3000: you wonder if this might all be a dream? Is it morbid to think
HOST LFST RB3000: of death in this way, or does it hone our life and our
attention
HOST LFST RB3000: to a numinous shine?
Go ahead now, please-- open floor on
HOST LFST RB3000: this last section. ......................
Khiron1771: Wow,
3K....APPLAUSE!!!! APPLAUSE!!!
Khiron1771: (I
am RIGHT THERE with you, 3K!!)
Pleiadian1: are
these your own words, 3000...I am very impressed
Tipherath: 3000
your macros are collapsing my universe...slow it down!
Cruxxlin: Tippy,
they are words...just read them lol
HOST LFST RB3000: Pleiadian, the ideas are not new to me, but I did
summarize it my own way.
Cruxxlin: lol
pleiad...what if they are not? hmmm?
Cruxxlin: WWooohoooo
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Tipherath: 3000
so your hinting that there was a Creator how
Tipherath: Macroed
so fast that human minds had to fill in the
Tipherath: blanks
later?
Tipherath: how
HOST LFST RB3000: Tipherath, I am hinting that YOU are the sole creator of
All.
Mtnmama914: Well
for what its worth i believe I picked
my parents be for i came here
Mtnmama914: and
that I will live on in the here after
Yoda0248: Tiph,
quit creating and fix the leak in the universe
DCizunas: Me
too Mtn...as well as the monumental events to happen in this life
FlowrNtheWind: Mtn, I believe I did too, to quote my 5 yr old
RochelleDo: it
is amazing how when the "here and now" becomes
RochelleDo: real
and important to us, the other stuff loses
RochelleDo: its
intensity for having to "know"
HOST LFST RB3000: Mtnmama, I am suggesting that you are now and here first
HOST LFST RB3000: picking your parents, your birth and your whole
"history".
BelovedMuse: all there is is the here and now, in every moment
Mtnmama914: i
was some where be for hewre firdst i belive
FlowrNtheWind: "Mommy when I was with GOD I told him I wanted you to be
my mommy and he sent me to you."
Tipherath: but
Yoda, if god talks so quickly that I can't understand
Tipherath: my
condemnation is to god, not me, the creation
Pleiadian1: lets
examine that last claim, 3000.....there are many interpretations, for example
Khiron1771: i
picked my own reality. i still do. i fall down every few minutes, at
least....and get
DCizunas: 3K,
as in the eternal now?
BelovedMuse: neato Flowr!
HOST LFST RB3000: BelovedMuse, exactly-- that's why I don't believe in
Deermap13: RB300o
are we all the sole creator?
HOST LFST RB3000: "reincarnation", or even "before &
after"
Yoda0248: Well,
here is my view; we fall from paradise as babies and form our baggage in the
yrs 1=7
Pleiadian1: even
a linear interpretation that everything has a cuase and effect that leads to
the next mo
Khiron1771: smacked
with my own perceptual limitations. but
i know i am the one limiting myself
Tipherath: Yoda...fall?
Pleiadian1: moment
is one interpretation
HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, yes, this eternal now, the same one as always
and
Tipherath: we're
born
HOST LFST RB3000: ever shall be, the same one that was before there was a
HOST LFST RB3000: was.
Yoda0248: Figure
of speech Tiphy
Pleiadian1: is
that how you look at it?
FlowrNtheWind: Beloved, I was floored I never discussed it with him
Yoda0248: It
sounds more poetic
Tipherath: Yoda...lot's
of those going around
DCizunas: 3K,
in that context I must concur
Theproprioceptor: what do you think happens to our energy when we die 3k?
HOST LFST RB3000: Yoda, I am presenting a view in which "paradise"
is a decision that we are making NOW.
Khiron1771: it
is me who decides who i will be, in all ways, always
Mtnmama914: so
i am who i am for ever is what yoiur
saying?
Yoda0248: I
could go for that 3K
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, I don't think we *die*, but my Death
travels with me everywhere.
RochelleDo: at
this moment you are, Mtn
Tipherath: 3K,
prove it
Khiron1771: 3000......as
does your life.
Tipherath: prove
it even...hehe
Theproprioceptor: so where do you think you go with your death 3k?
Cruxxlin: in
reference to time and things getting done?...
FlowrNtheWind: Mtn, I think our soul stays the same although different life
cycles things change
Mtnmama914: <spirit
will continue on for eons
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, my Death takes me to inconceivable
worlds of splendor and miracle.
Khiron1771: prove
that you do NOT effect your destiny, Tip, honey.
Khiron1771: effect,
and affect
Theproprioceptor: and then what 3k? for all eternity?
Yoda0248: any
theory can be disproven
DCizunas: Very
true, without "death" there would be no room for birth (new things)
Tipherath: 3K...it's
there, but, pass
Mtnmama914: agree
dc
Yoda0248: using
statistics one can even prove God exists
Cruxxlin: yoda,
i can disprove that theory!
BelovedMuse: or doesnt exist
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, I don't view eternity as "a long
time", see?
Cathplay: so
your saying live only for the moment, because that's all there is?
Khiron1771: it
doesn't matter whether God exists.....it only matters that you understand you
are the
Theproprioceptor: no i don;t see what you're saying.
Cruxxlin: live
for the moment using past and future as bearing///maybe?
Khiron1771: creator
of your reality by your CHOICE of perception, eh?
Cruxxlin: dont
give up on past and future, realize it all as one thing
HOST LFST RB3000: Tipherath, I have already admitted that I can't prove it
to
HOST LFST RB3000: anybody but myself, and I am demonstrating how you might
HOST LFST RB3000: prove it to yourself, see?
Yoda0248: That
is what napoleon said too, Cath...it'll last my lifetime (moment) and after me
the deluge
ExtensiontoU: well put..Khiron!
Cruxxlin: its
all a NOW just depends when you get there
Khiron1771: thank
you, Extension. it's the bottom line,
for me.
Theproprioceptor: do you think you exist for only your 70 years here on Earth?
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, that's good, because it can't really be
HOST LFST RB3000: seen, like that.
*Time* is an elaboration of the single
HOST LFST RB3000: moment of eternity, like a gigantic hologram.
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, I don't even think I exist here on
earth,
HOST LFST RB3000: but a single moment in chaos, dreaming out some
HOST LFST RB3000: experiences. What
do you know of the existence of your
HOST LFST RB3000: "history"??
Cruxxlin: time
is a perception a dimension we mistake
Yoda0248: I
will channel someone in new age chat when I die and tell y'all what it's really
all about
Yoda0248:
Theproprioceptor: a great deal 3k
ExtensiontoU: Wow...nice..3k...makes good sense!
HOST LFST RB3000: Yoda, how do you know we're not doing that *already*?
Tipherath: 3000,
doing what already?
BelovedMuse: Yoda would have the sense to pick someone with a provable message.
lol
HOST LFST RB3000: Tipherath, channeling Yoda here.
Yoda0248: 3k,
the only one hearing voices telling him to get outa Dodge is my bro's
psychiatrist
RochelleDo: Many
do not realise how much we can require ego
RochelleDo: stroking,
that limits us, no?
BelovedMuse: ego stroking?
ExtensiontoU: you mean like existing in different worlds and realities at
once..3K?..
Yoda0248: Muse,
in my day they called it going blind
RochelleDo: "recognition"
Muse
HOST LFST RB3000: ExtensiontoU, if not at once, at least in parallel.
Cruxxlin: everything
we do affect all other things...so by existing we change the universe
ExtensiontoU: I totally agree with you 3K...not to mention the dream state..That
may have....
ExtensiontoU: a lot to do with planning our paths...
DCizunas: Does
anyone know the name of that strip of paper that can be formed so there is no
front,..
DCizunas: ...no
back and no end to it?? Thinking of
that here
RochelleDo: Moebius
strip?
Theproprioceptor: 3k, you feel you've never lived on Earth in another body,
another "time?"
Cruxxlin: tip,
they serve as a good example that reality is not a setup?
Cruxxlin: or
a bad example?
HOST LFST RB3000: Cruxxlin, that is exactly what I've been trying to say--
thanks.
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, au contraire, I *am* living in all these
HOST LFST RB3000: worlds, in all these "bodies", now and now and
now.
ExtensiontoU: yes!
Theproprioceptor: so what happens when you kick the bucket 3k?
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, my "now" includes all
"notions" of "time", see?
FlowrNtheWind: I am living one physical life right now I hade many before
and will have many that follow
ExtensiontoU: 3K..because there is no such thing as time..too! all exists at
once..even
ExtensiontoU: reicarnational lives
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, I am constantly dying and being reborn,
as are we all, in this paradigm.
BelovedMuse: Thepro.... one must die to find out, don't you think?
HOST LFST RB3000: FlowrNtheWind, how do you know your other selves are not
HOST LFST RB3000: saying the same thing.
Couldn't this be the dream just as
HOST LFST RB3000: easily?
Khiron1771: wow,
3k.. you're allowing yourself to be what you are, then, in the face of the
demands of
Khiron1771: the
momentary reality?
FlowrNtheWind: ok somebody go die and come back and tell what happened
HOST LFST RB3000: FlowrNtheWind, ok, I'm back.
Cruxxlin: 3K,
for what its worth, i can imagine and beleive what you are saying
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HOST LFST RB3000: BelovedMuse, that's why shamans and mystical priests go
HOST LFST RB3000: thru death-- in order to learn the Other side.
FlowrNtheWind: Rb, I can't say for a fact but this what I believe
Theproprioceptor: right, so why have you no knowledge of reincarnation 3k?
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, that's a fair way to put it.
BelovedMuse: they can have it. i have
problems enuf with this side
Tipherath: Crux,
there once was a "3000" who had a delightful
Tipherath: hour
of stimulating thought...this, well, this is just a
Tipherath: burlesque
shadow of that former being (IMHO)
HOST LFST RB3000: Tipherath, I've truly always thought so.
Cruxxlin: tippy...you
are a rascal
Khiron1771: ...isn't
it funny to experience yourself in response to specific occurrences, and KNOW
that
Tipherath: Crux...I
am honest
Khiron1771: you
are much larger?
Cruxxlin: an
honest rascal, ok?
FlowrNtheWind: Beloved thank you, to much going on here for me to juggle
another life
Cruxxlin: khir,
some wowuld pay big money to get smaller!
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, our small selves are not aware of our other
selves,
HOST LFST RB3000: any more than our cats and dogs are aware of our lives as
HOST LFST RB3000: humans.
HOST LFST RB3000: Excellent, dudes and dudettes -- now we come to the grande
HOST LFST RB3000: finale of the evening--
HOST LFST RB3000: how we can actually demonstrate to ourselves the nature of
HOST LFST RB3000: the universe.
Please once again hold your comments while I
HOST LFST RB3000: unravel the last few paragraphs. ................
HOST LFST RB3000: The whole time I have been running this course, I have
been
HOST LFST RB3000: suggesting exercises and disciplines for you to try,
including
HOST LFST RB3000: stopping the internal dialogue; listening, tasting and
feeling
HOST LFST RB3000: on deep, synaesthesic levels; dreaming and trance work;
HOST LFST RB3000: chanting and sacred dance; mystical rituals; and
consistent
HOST LFST RB3000: meditations of different kinds.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: I offer these to you knowing that it takes years and
decades
HOST LFST RB3000: to get any perceivable results of the kind that we are
looking
HOST LFST RB3000: for in this course, but that's how this has to be done,
and
HOST LFST RB3000: "has been done for billions of years" (or at
least for quite a
HOST LFST RB3000: while.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: For those of you who have been pursuing these disciplines,
HOST LFST RB3000: then maybe some of what I am sharing with you will jog
HOST LFST RB3000: some hidden memory in you; for those who are just getting
HOST LFST RB3000: started, you may remember some of this down the line,
HOST LFST RB3000: when you can use it.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: Or you may one day just have a flash, and suddenly see, as
if
HOST LFST RB3000: all at once, your own Truth without words. This goes
beyond
HOST LFST RB3000: what people see in near-death experiences or in astral
HOST LFST RB3000: travel, because of the added elements of power, intent and
HOST LFST RB3000: awareness -- that is, a profound transformation in
yourself.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: The more astute of you may notice that I haven't really even
HOST LFST RB3000: said anything-- I haven't given you a recipe, I haven't
HOST LFST RB3000: proven anything. I have delivered nothing of substance to
HOST LFST RB3000: you, and here it is sixteen weeks. If I give you a
diploma, it
HOST LFST RB3000: will have to be inscribed with invisible ink.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: But something *has* been transmitted, maybe not by me,
HOST LFST RB3000: but you are here, maybe wondering what the heck is going
HOST LFST RB3000: on here, or deciding that these are the ramblings of a
burned-
HOST LFST RB3000: out druggie, or that none of this can have any practical
value
HOST LFST RB3000: in your daily life.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: But something has changed. Maybe you won't notice it for a
HOST LFST RB3000: long time; maybe you'll never remember about it in your
HOST LFST RB3000: ordinary consciousness.
HOST LFST RB3000: But something in you will start assembling new worlds.
HOST LFST RB3000: Maybe they'll resemble the old world in many ways, at
least
HOST LFST RB3000: for a little while.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
HOST LFST RB3000: But ultimately your wings will expand, and your awareness
HOST LFST RB3000: will take flight. Dreaming and waking will be equal, and
full of
HOST LFST RB3000: wonder. You'll know everything in the world as a connected
HOST LFST RB3000: whole, and you will embrace eternity. But don't believe me
HOST LFST RB3000: about it.
HOST LFST RB3000: .
Yoda0248: pari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
geez its been ages
HOST LFST RB3000: ****** Well, friends, this completes the ideas that I'd
like
HOST LFST RB3000: you to examine tonight.
Go right ahead now, please. The
HOST LFST RB3000: floor is now open for discussion on this entire subject.
HOST LFST RB3000: ....................................
Cruxxlin: this
all reminds me of heinleiins "number of the beast"
DCizunas: Tip,
you're just siting an example of how we all die and are reborn : )
HOST LFST RB3000: Cruxxlin, good one.
Khiron1771: 3k....i
disagree.....like the layers of the most beautiful crust of the earth, we are
aware
Khiron1771: our
true selves
Tipherath: DC...die,
maybe
BelovedMuse: gosh i hate those scrolling macros. oy meine kopf!
Cruxxlin: where
all realities were created by writers and the popular beleif
Cruxxlin: in
them caused them to exist
Khiron1771: ...when
we delve into our own center, we find the eons of love...the overwhelming
desire all
Khiron1771: of
us have to be love.
Khiron1771: that's
the bottom line. expressing love
Khiron1771: 3k you've grown SO MUCH!!! :)**
ExtensiontoU: 3k ^5 to you....I love it!
HOST LFST RB3000: For further reading on tonight's topic, I recommend
"The
HOST LFST RB3000: Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav, "The Tao of
Physics"
HOST LFST RB3000: by Fritjof Capra, "A New Model of the Universe"
and "In
HOST LFST RB3000: Search of the Miraculous" by P.D. Ouspensky,
"Star Wave" by
HOST LFST RB3000: Fred Alan Wolf, and "The Whole Shebang" by
another
HOST LFST RB3000: physicist.
ExtensiontoU: it is a matter of becoming more and more aware of who we are!
HOST LFST RB3000: ExtensiontoU, that is correct-- you get a prize
ExtensiontoU: <bowing>
ExtensiontoU: thank you
Theproprioceptor: i think you read way too much 3k....just feel dude
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, maybe so-- did I mention I've read some
of these books ten times each?
Theproprioceptor: that could create blocks hindering your own inner knowing 3k
ExtensiontoU: if we , for a moment, allow to observe ourselves..we can then feel
that time is non-existence
Yoda0248: Musey,
The seat of the soul, highly recommend it
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, it could indeed, but I spend lots of
time
HOST LFST RB3000: chanting, meditating, doing sacred dance, etc, with
thoughts
HOST LFST RB3000: turned off.
ExtensiontoU: Cool...3K
ExtensiontoU: that is being in charge of your logical mind!
Khiron1771: Extension....and
how do you become who you really are?
HOST LFST RB3000: (Here's a few more resources: Carlos Castaneda's
"Tales of
HOST LFST RB3000: Power", "The Fire from Within" and
"Art of Dreaming" are
HOST LFST RB3000: also tremendously helpful in working with these ideas.
This
HOST LFST RB3000: one may be out of print, but George Gamov's "1-2-3
Infinity"
HOST LFST RB3000: is one of the books that got me started forty years ago.
Take
HOST LFST RB3000: a look at Carl Sagan's "Contact" also -- the
book form has
HOST LFST RB3000: some ideas that didn't come through clearly in the movie.)
Tipherath: Yoda,
am serious, maybe anger and jealousy has a part of balance
ExtensiontoU: it is an on going process...Khiron..never ending...you
see..Observe..it the
ExtensiontoU: key
Tipherath: Yoda...you
see only a fringe
Khiron1771: Extension....:) ya mean you are a creation in the making?
HOST LFST RB3000: Theproprioceptor, because I thought I was losing my mind,
HOST LFST RB3000: worried about brain tumor, heart attack, ulcers,
everything.
HOST LFST RB3000:
Tipherath: Muse,
yes, the outside of an object (a person)
Yoda0248: Tiph,
that's yer own clouded mirror yer looking in dahlink
Khiron1771: <~~believes
that those who define their lives/personality with
Khiron1771: strict
guidelines are eternally betrayed, because they do this with an underlying
mis-assumption that they cannot change.
Theproprioceptor: don't worry so much..you seem like a cool enough dude
Tipherath: Yoda...that's
babble talk, not helpful
BelovedMuse: Tip, i live on the fringes. just didnt know if thats what you mean
HOST LFST RB3000: (Next week: "The expansion of the Moment into its
ecstatic
HOST LFST RB3000: components."
Please continue whatever daily practices you
HOST LFST RB3000: are doing -- we'll be using everything that results from
HOST LFST RB3000: them.)
Yoda0248: Tiph,
at least say psychobabble
HOST LFST RB3000: (All the previous 15 logs are downloadable from keyword
HOST LFST RB3000: "New Age" Library II, if you missed any of the
previous
HOST LFST RB3000: classes, and tonight's log (#16) will be available within
the
HOST LFST RB3000: next week. Please email me if you would like my weekly
HOST LFST RB3000: updates emailed to you.)
Khiron1771: and
the truth of the matter is that you cannot NOT change.
FlowrNtheWind: I am how I am and always will me I love me and accept me for
all that I am
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FlowrNtheWind: the only person that can stop me it me, and if it is to be it
is up to me!
Khiron1771: the
only thing you can ever count on is your continued perceptual change.....i dare
you to
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, well, that's not the *entire* truth-- we cannot
HOST LFST RB3000: change the personality form, but we can step out of it
with
HOST LFST RB3000: our dream body and energy vehicle.
Khiron1771: remain
the same.
ExtensiontoU: and that would be "changing the probability" of our many
probabitlities..3k..right?
Khiron1771: 3000. bull
You absolutely CAN change the personality form. You ask people to
HOST LFST RB3000: ExtensiontoU, yes, aren't we always?
Khiron1771: believe
they cannot step outside a defined parameter, and you're incorrect....the most
Khiron1771: extreme
is definitely possible.
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, right, and that is not what I am asking them to
do, see?
BelovedMuse: <~~knows the extent that people can change....
ExtensiontoU: yes...it is all on framework two! 3K < a Seth thing>
FlowrNtheWind: Only I can change who I am
Khiron1771: 3K.....you're
not their guide. They are. You cannot give parameters there, eh?
HOST LFST RB3000: <-- know the extent that people can be foolish,
counting himself.
Tipherath: OK...is
there even a thread of a theme that poor Yoda can hang onto?
HOST LFST RB3000: (For those who wish to do the extracurricular work with
us,
HOST LFST RB3000: The exercises we have been doing are stopping the internal
HOST LFST RB3000: dialogue; listening, tasting and feeling on deep,
synaesthesic
HOST LFST RB3000: levels; dream and trance work; chanting and sacred dance;
HOST LFST RB3000: mystical rituals; and consistent meditations of different
HOST LFST RB3000: kinds.)
ExtensiontoU: 3K..do you think that there is a limit to what we can manifest?
HOST LFST RB3000: ExtensiontoU, no limit at all, on our other side-- but the
ego
HOST LFST RB3000: is limited by its own definition, see?
ExtensiontoU: we can condition the EGO...no 3k? I am sure we all have at one
time?
HOST LFST RB3000: ExtensiontoU, I've been taught, and have confirmed, that
HOST LFST RB3000: the best we can "condition" our ego to do, is
surrender.
ExtensiontoU: and that is the key...no? 3k
ExtensiontoU: surrender to "ALL THAT IS"
HOST LFST RB3000: ExtensiontoU, it's sure one of the main keys.
ExtensiontoU: yeppers!
HOST LFST RB3000: Well, friends, my time is up for tonight-- or at least my
HOST LFST RB3000: energy. Thank you
all for participating with us today.
ExtensiontoU: Thank you, 3K!!
Cruxxlin: thank
you 3k
ExtensiontoU: I have enjoyed myself tremendously!
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HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, have a great week, everyone!
HOST LFST Heart: namaste all....see you next monday....bring a friend
Cruxxlin: {S
namaste} 3k