Ecstatic Awareness #7 -- Noticing
the Miraculous in our Lives
PowerChat: *** Entered The New Age on 1/10/00 at 07:33 PM
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RBCF
3000: Good evening, dear friends.
HOST
LFST Mystic: I came in here to help
3k... Please bear with me as I am new
to this room =o)
Rochelle
adrift: Welcome and well met, Mystic
Zamurito:
Nice to meet ya Mystic
HOST
LFST Mystic: Rochelle many thanks to you =o)
RBCF
3000: Ok, we're about to begin the next
class: "Noticing the Miraculous in our lives."
Rochelle
adrift: <sigh> great stuff, 3000
SEEKNGSTUD:
is that referencing some religious
experience ?
RBCF
3000: This is the 7th class session of a
25-week course in "Ecstatic Awareness"
RBCF
3000: SEEKNGSTUD, yes, certain religious
experiences would be included in ecstatic awareness.
Rochelle
adrift: Names on the screen can be
miraculous, incredibly
Rochelle
adrift: so and its great to have this
medium to share
RBCF
3000: Once we get started, we'll operate
on informal
RBCF
3000: protocol, wherein we just wait for
an idea to complete
RBCF
3000: before commenting.
RBCF
3000: Welcome, everyone. Tonight is our
seventh class in
RBCF
3000: Ecstatic Awareness: "Noticing
the Miraculous in our
RBCF
3000: lives." Once again, for those
who are joining us for
RBCF
3000: the first time, the way we are
using the word
RBCF
3000: "ecstatic" here means
entering into states of
RBCF
3000: consciousness, accompanied by
transformation of
RBCF
3000: being, in which the supernatural
and the Miraculous
RBCF
3000: can be witnessed and experienced
directly, even
RBCF
3000: including the realms of Divinity.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Before we begin tonight's lesson,
let's hear if any of
RBCF
3000: you are trying some of the
exercises we've been
RBCF
3000: discussing. These include stopping
the internal
RBCF
3000: dialogue; listening, tasting and
feeling on deep levels;
RBCF
3000: dream and trance work; and monastic
submission for
RBCF
3000: at least 30 years. Go right ahead if you've been trying
RBCF
3000: any of these ...
Planetshpr:
<---monastic submission for 3
years. will let you know, in 27, how it
worked.
Zamurito:
3k, yes I have been working on stopping
the internal dialogue...
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, what have you noticed
so far?
Planetshpr:
3K, that the first wall is ego.... <smiling>
RBCF
3000: Zamurito, is it very easy to do
that?
Zamurito:
Once you can do this, it shows how
repetitive our lives really are
Zamurito:
No :))
Planetshpr:
every once in awhile, I do glimpse a
hole in the wall....
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, seems to me that ego is
also the last wall, no?
Planetshpr:
LOL! 3K, Ego may be the ONLY wall!
roflmao!
Planetshpr:
cannot know!
Planetshpr:
... course... I am using
"Ego" to cover unconscious beliefs, issues, subconscious programs,
Planetshpr:
etc., etc.
RBCF
3000: Zamurito, but do you have some
success? Has the world slowed down a bit, if not stopped?
Zamurito:
Yes, it has. But it is tough to reach on a regular basis....
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, can "ego" be
*everything* that separates us from Godhood?
RBCF
3000: Zamurito, well, playing the piano
or speaking Chinese is not that easy either, eh?
Planetshpr:
perhaps, 3K, if one accepts the
broad definition I assign, yes.
Rochelle
adrift: ego certainly restricts us
Zamurito:
heh, yea, 3k ;)))
Claritybay:
aloha everyone
Planetshpr:
hiya Clarity!
Rochelle
adrift: Hi Clarity
Claritybay:
mahalo planet
Zamurito:
3k, finally managed to stop the
world....
Claritybay:
rochelle
Zamurito:
And see energy as it flows....
RBCF
3000: Ok, let's go to the first idea we
have tonight-- protocol for a minute, please.
Planetshpr:
Questions of ego and monastic
submission take me to question my perception of reality.
Log
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Age at 07:45 PM
RBCF
3000: Zamurito, wonderful! Let's come back to that in a little while.
Zamurito:
Certainly
RBCF
3000: Ok, please hold comments for a
minute ................................
RBCF
3000: My basic premise, tonight, is that
the world has
RBCF
3000: always been magical and
intelligent, but our cultural
RBCF
3000: context has indoctrinated us, from
the very beginning,
RBCF
3000: to give credence only to acceptable
perceptions.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Until children's range of
perceptions and apprehensions
RBCF
3000: becomes fixated this way, they are
continually terrified
RBCF
3000: by all the "monsters" and
"demons" that keep hiding
RBCF
3000: under their beds or jumping out at
them. Children,
RBCF
3000: autistics and schizophrenics also
are particularly apt to
RBCF
3000: see angels, faeries, invisible
friends and even the
RBCF
3000: Blessed Virgin..
RBCF
3000: .
Claritybay:
true with the exception of those who
have changed the world
RBCF
3000: We are taught to dismiss these
reports as
RBCF
3000: "imagination" or
"illusion" when, just as easily, our
RBCF
3000: *not* seeing all these things can
be taken as sleep,
RBCF
3000: amnesia or delusion.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: As adults, with all our
"normal" fixations, it takes
RBCF
3000: practices to break these fixations.
We have already
RBCF
3000: talked about some of the
preliminary exercises for
RBCF
3000: doing this. Now we wish to start
noticing how our lives
RBCF
3000: and our realities do not really conform
to all these
RBCF
3000: notions that have become our
untested operating
RBCF
3000: beliefs.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: If you come along a little further,
you will begin to see
RBCF
3000: that our lives are actually
discontinuous, with strange
RBCF
3000: breaks and anomalies that we have
been
RBCF
3000: systematically ignoring, and that
even the "very
RBCF
3000: reasonable" sequentialities of
"cause-and-effiect,"
RBCF
3000: "before-and-after" and
"this-and-that" are nothing
RBCF
3000: more than artificial cyphers. It's
as if the gross
RBCF
3000: phenomena are trying to conform to
the principles of
RBCF
3000: quantum mechanics.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: For example, I have many times
discovered that my
RBCF
3000: keys were not where I always put
them and, after
RBCF
3000: searching my entire house, I come
back to the same
RBCF
3000: place, only to find them there.
Sometimes I still
RBCF
3000: couldn't see them, but I could put
my hand around
RBCF
3000: them, and lo! there they were.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Another example I have is that I
have audio tapes for
RBCF
3000: studying vocal music. On one tape I
had memorized a
RBCF
3000: certain passage, but later, when I
played the tape
RBCF
3000: again, the first section of the
piece had been replaced
RBCF
3000: by a duplicate of the second
section; that is, the part
RBCF
3000: I had carefully memorized had
disappeared and, in its
RBCF
3000: place was not a gap, but another
form.
RBCF 3000:
****** Let's stop here for some
discussion about
RBCF
3000: gaps, anomalies, synchronicities
and incongruities you
RBCF
3000: may have noticed in your own lives.
Go right ahead
RBCF
3000: ......
Rochelle
adrift: Does it not sometimes seem what
happens really is
Rochelle
adrift: required?
RBCF
3000: Rochelle adrift, absolutely! What
have you noticed?
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, right.
Planetshpr:
;-)
Rochelle
adrift: Just beginning to notice what
happens tends to
Rochelle
adrift: work out as what I require
Zamurito:
Rochelle, I agree.
Rochelle
adrift: It may always have been that way
but maybe now I
Rochelle
adrift: see it
DCizunas:
It seems like I rely on meditation to
supply what I missed during the day that I should have
DCizunas:
..seen
Rochelle
adrift: DC, geesh, never say
"should"
DCizunas:
Rochelle, but sadly true...we miss a lot
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, what does it seem like
you have missed?
Rochelle
adrift: DC, we see what we need to when
we are ready?
Sparkling
Hope: Each moment is a miraculous
orchestration of the vibrancies of life for me ~
DCizunas:
3K, it might even be looking at the
veins of the petal of a flower I didn't really take time
Sparkling
Hope: Sounds trite......but 'tis so....
Rochelle
adrift: Sparkling
DCizunas:
..to see right then
RBCF
3000: Sparkling Hope, that's exactly
where I want everybody to get to!
Rochelle
adrift: :::the veins in the leaf, and the
light and the
Rochelle
adrift: balance:::
HOST
LFST Mystic: We see what has always
been open to us when we allow it to be seen
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, now that you know that
you didn't stop and
RBCF
3000: take the time, what can you do next
time?
Rochelle
adrift: Yes, Mystic, we become ready to
see one day?
DCizunas:
Exactly Rochelle, but seems like we are
too busy to stop sometimes
Planetshpr:
Slowing down the world makes it
easier to see such things.
WigwamLady:
Explain Host
Rochelle
adrift: It is sad that we as children
were so stifled
DCizunas:
3K, the ideal would be to take the time,
but sometimes just not possible to see all for me
Claritybay:
romance slows things down abit
Sparkling
Hope: <warm smiles> . . . she can
stop and see the flowers or the flowers will observe her...<warm
Sparkling
Hope: smile>
HOST
LFST Mystic: Rochelle... we are born
seeing and through "upbringing" our vision becomes clouded
DCizunas:
How beautiful Hope
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, can you *begin*
somewhere? Can you make some small
decision in this now?
WigwamLady:
Our vision of how things should be?
Rochelle
adrift: that is society placing us in a
fixed place to
M
Natural 1: the questions become
obvious when you realize the answers
Rochelle
adrift: conform and get along with
society
Zamurito:
Yes, host....It is a process of
"Un-Doing"
Rochelle
adrift: Un doing our conditioning
RBCF
3000: Sparkling Hope, nice way to put
it-- and I hope that will come out of this class.
HOST
LFST Mystic: A process of
re-learning
DCizunas:
3K, I have tried to simplify but seem to
still need more hours to examine all
Rochelle
adrift: yes, Mystic
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, I find that it takes only
a moment.
Sparkling
Hope: 3000. . . everything that you wish
and more will come out of this class... for there are
Rochelle
adrift: I hope I am allowing my 4
children an easier path
Rochelle
adrift: back to that
WigwamLady:
Un-Doing all that our parents taught
us?
Sparkling
Hope: miracles, synchronicities and
little "oops"es all about........
M
Natural 1: when you shead the mundane
all thats left is the truth
HOST
LFST Mystic: Rochelle. You are
Rochelle
adrift:
DCizunas:
3K, that is what I hope to
discover...for in seeing the flower petal I miss the water etc.
RBCF
3000: Rochelle adrift, suppose an easier
path does not bring
RBCF
3000: your children to fulfillment? What do you really wish
RBCF
3000: for them?
Rochelle
adrift: I wish what they choose is for
the reason of
Rochelle
adrift: their hearts and not what society
leads them to
Rochelle
adrift: expect
Planetshpr:
and so, we create our OWN hells, in
our interpretations of events....
Log
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Age at 08:00 PM
Tipherath:
3000...where is your whim to take us?
Rochelle
adrift: its a good topic
RBCF
3000: Ok, friends-- let's go to the next
idea, which some of you have properly anticipated...
RBCF
3000: The next stage of getting to the
miraculous that I'd
RBCF
3000: like to talk about, comes out of
the exercises that
RBCF
3000: some of you are practicing. You are
walking along,
RBCF
3000: when suddenly your impressions of
the situation are
RBCF
3000: doubled, or even tripled!
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Your awareness is suddenly very
keen, and you can
RBCF
3000: "taste" or
"touch" the essence of the things or
RBCF
3000: people you are passing, at a
distance. That is to
RBCF
3000: say, the finer materialities
interpenetrate each
RBCF
3000: other, and each has its own
intelligence, which you
RBCF
3000: now can discern at some subtle
level, at least until
RBCF
3000: you start thinking about it too
much.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Another form of this phenomenon is
that you hear
RBCF
3000: the "song" in
everything-- every thing has as if a
RBCF
3000: spirit nymph or a guardian that we
have stopped
RBCF
3000: noticing, but when we get truly
quiet inside, they
RBCF
3000: begin singing to us again.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: The wind, the leaves, insects, the
sound of my
RBCF
3000: tires rolling along, the shine of
the sun, the
RBCF
3000: radiance of the moon, the love of
my mother's
RBCF
3000: heart-- all have their own songs
that we can now
RBCF
3000: hear.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Even in the sounds that started out
as music there
RBCF
3000: exist whole new levels of music
underneath or
RBCF
3000: behind what we have been hearing--
the part that
RBCF
3000: only our quiet mind hears. This
paramusic has
RBCF
3000: intelligence and power that can
heal, or harm if
RBCF
3000: misused.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: This is one of the reasons we are
taught not to
RBCF
3000: seek powers for gratification, but
to be sweet and
RBCF
3000: open enough that, when we are
pollinated with
RBCF
3000: power, only joy and beauty will
spring forth from
RBCF
3000: us.
RBCF
3000: ****** At this point, I'd love to
hear what has
RBCF
3000: touched you, what you have heard in
your heart,
RBCF
3000: what you have suddenly known
without knowing.
RBCF
3000: Go right ahead now .....
Sndynasty:
hummm, are we speaking of sudden
heightening of perceptions??
RBCF
3000: Sndynasty, yes, exactly
Selph2000:
WOW
RBCF
3000: Sndynasty, what has been your
experience with heightened awareness?
M
Natural 1: when you realize the
questions the answers become obvious
DCizunas:
3K, you speak of doubled and tripled,
but there are even more dimensions...trying to get...
Planetshpr:
3K, this is where what I have called
"psychic connection" comes in, for me.
RBCF
3000: M Natural, do you find that the
"answers" are sometimes just bigger questions?
DCizunas:
...to those at this stage of my life
Planetshpr:
just KNOWING things.
Selph2000:
it
sounded as if you were channeling there 3K
M
Natural 1: yes
Sndynasty:
mine are kind of minor compared to some,
just heightened audio and perceptions of feeling
ExplrngLfe:
Heightening awareness :It feels
there is really no intensity to heighten awareness fully .
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, the doubling and tripling
is not an exact correlation with number of dimensions.
M
Natural 1: but i enjoy learning them
HOST
LFST Mystic: Perception of any kind
is not minor Snd =o)
Sndynasty:
hearing things so clearly, hearing things
that are not ordinalry heard
Tipherath:
3000...so, you're looking for people who
just might
Tipherath:
happen to be going through what your
Tipherath:
experiencing?
Sparkling
Hope: I can tell you of the experience I
had yesterday.... It was wondrous....
DCizunas:
3K, it just seems that even being
heightened, we still can get more
Rochelle
adrift: I have never personally known any
psychic even
Rochelle
adrift: though I tend to feel open to it
but
Sparkling
Hope: But then......everyday is for me
~ LOL
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, yes, we do become quite
psychic, even
RBCF
3000: telepathic and certainly empathic,
on this path.
Tipherath:
Timing is such an untimely thing...
DCizunas:
What happened Hope??
Planetshpr:
or even psychically telekinetic!
<g>
Selph2000:
Sparkling..i want to hear
Rochelle
adrift: I know two trees growing with a
path underneath
Rochelle
adrift: they are huge great firs
RBCF
3000: Tipherath, I can find such people
in the grocery
RBCF
3000: store or the bowling alley. My task
here is to see if
RBCF
3000: I can properly describe the process.
Sparkling
Hope: DCiz......would you like the
simplistic event or the more mystical?
Sparkling
Hope: ; )
Zamurito:
3k, yes this happened to me when i
stopped the world. First time I had
actually "listened"
Zamurito:
without my ears
RBCF 3000:
DCizunas, yes more and more and more and
more and more
Tipherath:
3000...LOL...we shop in different
neighborhoods I guess...
Sndynasty:
Go on, Hope, tell more, please
DCizunas:
Hope, a little lead in of the first, and
then the mystical you experienced
RBCF
3000: Zamurito, how did you get to it?
Rochelle
adrift: those trees I wish I could say
how they make me
Rochelle
adrift: feel
Zamurito:
Physical exercise, then mental
quietness.....
Sparkling
Hope: A great bird with a white head was
flying toward me....I was about to become afraid......and
Sparkling
Hope: then I entered the quiet of my own
heart......
Sparkling
Hope: The bird flew through me.....and
bore me up to heights that were magnificent......
Selph2000:
Roch...you lose the meaning with words...i know
Sparkling
Hope: About the time I was
"soaring", I was placed on the softness of my own soul.......
RBCF
3000: Rochelle adrift, don't you
"say" how you feel with your very song?
Sparkling
Hope: .....and I beheld the bird above
me......who touched its wingtips together above its own head.
Sparkling
Hope: I noticed it had become what I
thought was a teardrop......
Sparkling
Hope: but then......it changed.......and
I knew it to be a droplet........
Sparkling
Hope: a singular droplet........from a
similiar singular wave.......from the vastness of the Ocean
Sparkling
Hope: that is the very heart of the One.
RBCF
3000: Sparkling Hope, wonderful vision!
DCizunas:
Hope, what a wonderful message sent to
you
Sparkling
Hope: DCiz... mystical nature of Oneness. . .
Planetshpr:
Rochelle, dear one, there are MANY
ways to say "should," are there not?
That one was...
Brahmasthiti:
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Sparkling
Hope: yes DCiz.....
Planetshpr:
I should contribute more.
ExplrngLfe:
.
Planetshpr:
Not true.
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr,
"should"??? Then either do,
or do not.
Rochelle
adrift: I mean as far as anything
psychic, or past life,
Rochelle
adrift: or anything out of the
ordinary....I believe but
Tipherath:
3000...I like the way you handle the
room, nice.
Rochelle
adrift: I have never experienced anything
like that
Planetshpr:
exactly, 3k.
Planetshpr:
or just be with what IS.
Sparkling
Hope: <smiles>........Tiph......synchronicity.......I
was thinking the same thing....
M
Natural 1: good night room
RBCF
3000: Tipherath, my secret is that I play
inspirational music the whole time
ExplrngLfe:
.
Sparkling
Hope: 3000.........I sing it..........
Sparkling
Hope: ; )
Tipherath:
3000...looking forward to the night you
smoke dope...lol
Zamurito:
3k and Tipherath are old school
chums.....hehehe
Selph2000:
((((((((((Brah))))))))))))))))))
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Age at 08:15 PM
RBCF
3000: Tipherath, you can find such a
night looking *backward* as well
RBCF
Heart: <~~~doesn't need dope to
get high
Tipherath:
3000...
Planetshpr:
Heart, drugs are not necessary to
get high... and some use them as a way to map into a new territory.
RBCF
3000: <-- gets way too high just on
energies
Tipherath:
3000...might be the time for a fresh
infusion of topic-stuff, no?
RBCF
Heart: I get high on energies......
Rochelle
adrift: The wonderful thing is to read
and believe that
Rochelle
adrift: we are all connected and special
Starlight044:
so do i rbcf
RBCF
Heart:
RBCF
3000: Ok, friends, let's go into the
final point for tonight's lesson ...
RBCF
3000: ......................................
RBCF
3000: The final notion I'd like to
present to you tonight,
RBCF
Heart: sitting up straight, paying
attention to 30000
RBCF
3000: for your consideration, is that, as
quantum physics
RBCF
3000: observes, the world responds to
whatever intention
RBCF
3000: we have set when we observe it. We
will go into
RBCF
3000: great detail on this in a later
class, but at this point
RBCF
3000: I'd like you to get a sense of what
such an idea
RBCF
3000: implies.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: When I began my studies, it was the
1950's--
RBCF
3000: basically "Pleasantville"
but without the
RBCF
3000: pleasantness. The world was flat,
and everybody
RBCF
3000: knew what their roles were, more or
less. At that
RBCF
3000: time, as a child and then a teen, I
determined that
RBCF
3000: there had to be more to the world
than what I was
RBCF
3000: seeing.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: It had to have more dimensions than
the lies of my
RBCF
3000: parents and teachers, and it had to
have more
RBCF
3000: beauty than all the pollution, the
disregard for
RBCF
3000: nature and humanity that I could
see around me,
RBCF
3000: the cold war and the alienation
that most people
RBCF
3000: appeared to be suffering.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: I suffered along with them, but
along with my
RBCF
3000: suffering I was practicing these
very exercises that
RBCF
3000: I am now offering to you, and which
many of you
RBCF
3000: have been already doing anyway. It
took decades
RBCF
3000: for me to notice any significant
changes (unless
RBCF
3000: you count increasing sophistication
of the
RBCF
3000: teachings that became available),
but finally I could
RBCF
3000: no longer deny that the world was
indeed a flux,
RBCF
3000: and was following my intention.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: I admit that this may just as
easily prove psychosis
RBCF
3000: as well as the position I am taking
but, as don Juan
RBCF
3000: would say, a warrior properly
insists on his reality,
RBCF
3000: and goes happily to his death not
knowing whether
RBCF
3000: he made the right choice, but
knowing that he
RBCF
3000: made the choice with all his heart.
RBCF
3000: ****** Well, friends, those are the
ideas and
RBCF
3000: practices that I'd like you to try
out for yourselves.
RBCF
3000: Now let's hear your questions and comments.
Planetshpr:
I saw a bumpersticker today that
said, "BE REALISTIC. Expect
Miracles!" The world has come far!
Zamurito:
Uh, the worlds not flat?
Tipherath:
(a bit too much of the "I" left
in ya', 3000, smile,
Tipherath:
and you're rambling from a sweet point to
the fringe)
Rochelle
adrift: LOL Planet, wonderful!!!
RBCF
3000: Tipherath, how much "I"
would you like to see in me?
Planetshpr:
Once upon a time we would have been
burned at the stake for this stuff!
Rochelle
adrift: we probably were, Planet
Tipherath:
What's the core point on the plate?
Sparkling
Hope: 3000.........zippo
Sparkling
Hope: <smiles>
RBCF
3000: Sparkling Hope, ok, comin' right
up!
Rochelle
adrift: <shudder>
Planetshpr:
3000, it has been said that
everything after the word "I" is a story we tell... it is how
Planetshpr:
we create the world.
Rochelle
adrift: sorry Sparkling, your smile is
better
Tipherath:
Planet...an old saying, and still valid
RBCF
3000: <-- feels like he's hanging
right on the cross with Jesus, sometimes-- maybe Barrabas?
HOST
LFST Mystic: Rochelle.... no reason
to shudder, if you were, those experiences have brought you to
HOST
LFST Mystic: the here and now =o)
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, I completely agree.
Rochelle
adrift: being here, now is where we are
meant to be, don't
Rochelle
adrift: you think?
HOST
LFST Mystic: yes Rochelle
Grazhopprr:
I=eye=window to the
soul=perspective=belief=manifestation thereof
Tipherath:
3, so...a cross?
Zamurito:
My take on this is that there is so much
more out 'there' than we see....
DCizunas:
I agree Zamurito
Rochelle
adrift: I just wish I lived in a nearer
time zone
HOST
LFST Mystic: Zam..... agree
Zamurito:
We have to break the mirror of self
reflection.....
Tipherath:
3000...?
RBCF
3000: Tipherath, are you asking why I
feel like I'm on the
RBCF
3000: cross with Jesus? It's because of
the intensity of
RBCF
3000: existence. I hold all the paradoxes
and
RBCF
3000: contradictions and anomalies
together.
HOST
LFST Mystic: Zam..... the mirror is
what helps us to see?
RBCF
Heart: Liz, Im me please
RBCF
3000: Zamurito, "I" can't break
itself, though, right? How
RBCF
3000: does it get broken so it can be
properly reformed?
Grazhopprr:
impossible to break the mirror, it
is always there, just make a new reflection to see
Planetshpr:
properly?????
Zamurito:
Host, only to the me me me
Zamurito:
3k, with a little help from our friends
Sparkling
Hope: 3000 ......it gets purged in the
fires of purification.....the moment we stand naked before ourselves.
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, maybe so. But then, how
is the new reflection any more reliable than the old?
Planetshpr:
It is said that "I" can be
broken... some report the experience.
Planetshpr:
the ego dies.... the Self emerges.
RBCF
3000: Sparkling Hope, I suppose so, and I
like the naked part
Sparkling
Hope: The revelatory moment......the
death of the ego ..... comes when the ego dies.........
Selph2000:
DA-DA
Sparkling
Hope: 3000.......why did I know you
would? ROFL!
Tipherath:
3000, shame...lol
Sparkling
Hope: and the true Self emerges.
Planetshpr:
<grinning at Hope>
Sparkling
Hope: Looks like I'm copying
Planetshpr...... ; )
LizWeissma:
What is tthe experience like?
Rochelle
adrift: really being able to see into the
mirror is a
Rochelle
adrift: quest worth taking
Planetshpr:
no, Hope, you are speaking
truth.
Planetshpr:
reporting experience.
Zamurito:
The ego will always be there....Sometimes
"she" must be taken away from the controls....
Rochelle
adrift: Zamurito, for sure
Tipherath:
Zam...the ego as "she"? Interesting.
Grazhopprr:
the ego can't die, it is you. the ego needs to become the completeness of
you, giving up of self
Rochelle
adrift: nicely put, Graz
Planetshpr:
that may be, Graz... certainly I've
never been able to kill the bugger off!!!
Tipherath:
Zam...lol...but was really interested in
where that thought might lead...
Planetshpr:
though I certainly have slowed it
down on occasion!
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, maybe we are just
flipping the polarity
RBCF
3000: of the ego, from false personality
to True Self?
Rochelle
adrift: LOL, Planet, you can rise above
it
Grazhopprr:
the ego is only the human blinded
side of you that was created by life here at this time
Zamurito:
Tiph, trying to stay on topic
Sparkling
Hope: Methinks sometimes that God needs
to give us a dictionary to define the word "ego" in every
Sparkling
Hope: possible way.......LOLOL
REBKADVD81:
ego a "she".......laughn
Tipherath:
Zam...and you were...well, sorta'
RBCF
Heart: to each ego is different
Grazhopprr:
3k, there is no false personality,
only an ignorant side of you that is here now.
Sparkling
Hope: Heart.......to each, God is
different
RBCF
3000: Next week: The connection between
the
RBCF
3000: principles of modern physics and
the mystery of
RBCF
3000: Existence. All the previous logues
are
RBCF
3000: downloadable from keyword "New
Age", Library II, if
RBCF
3000: you missed any of the previous
classes.
RBCF
3000: If you would like my chat news
& schedule, please email me for it.
Rochelle
adrift: ego allows the basis of fear to
hold us back from
Rochelle
adrift: true self, maybe?
Selph2000:
the ego can be a wonderful friend..but a
terriable master...lol
Sparkling
Hope: Naked I wuz born into this ole
world.......naked I shall leave it.
Zamurito:
Selph, perfect!
REBKADVD81:
<<thinkn we place to much
enphasis on labels and identities
Planetshpr:
Selph, in what definition of
"ego" can it be a friend?
Rochelle
adrift: that too, Selph
Starlight044:
the mind wants to label,,sort and file
RBCF
3000: REBKADVD, exactly! What do we have left without any labels at
all?
Grazhopprr:
people misunderstand the ego to be a
negative side to destroy, it is you.
LizWeissma:
SELLPHHH 20000 THATS SO TRUE
Zamurito:
correct, graz
Planetshpr:
not in my definition, Graz..... but obviously you have a different one.
Selph2000:
Planet...that it does our bidding..and
not vise versa
REBKADVD81:
RBC.....identity crisis........a
mudd slide?
Starlight044:
the self
Zamurito:
yes, graz, but it becomes the master....
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, you don't distinguish
between *I* and my projections, masks and intrigues?
Planetshpr:
I equate ego with "self"
as opposed to "Self"
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DCizunas:
Graz, but in the end do we not have to
grow past that "ego" to become one with the infinite?
Rochelle
adrift: to move beyond the restrictions
our ego places...
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, then just who is Self?
Grazhopprr:
in order to give yourself freedom to
learn blindly, you focus on here, build a personality
Starlight044:
planet now iam really confused
Planetshpr:
3K!!! you have projections, masks and intrigues!!! I am shocked!
Starlight044:
lol
REBKADVD81:
need a nature change to even look at
the word ONE
ADOTH: Does infinite have an ego????
Rochelle
adrift: we cannot deny ego but we can
become above what
RBCF
3000: REBKADVD, we always hit identity
crisis before coming out the other side, right?
Rochelle
adrift: ego would choose
Zamurito:
Graz, personality?
Planetshpr:
Self.... perhaps, 3K, Self is that which I was between the worlds.
Sparkling
Hope: DCiz..it has been my experience
that we are never NOT One with the Infinite.......we simply
Tipherath:
ADOTH...an excellent question
Sparkling
Hope: don't know it all the time.
Sparkling
Hope: How do you like that triple negative?
DCizunas:
Very true Hope
REBKADVD81:
RBC.....thinkn you might be
right....we've done it hard way tho
Grazhopprr:
zam, personality, identity with the
body, with pain, pleasure, etc. the
drive of being huma
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, and still are, always
will be, beginning and end, now & forever, right?
Zamurito:
Adoth, does infinite have a definition?
Planetshpr:
Self seems to be who I am when
I.... "remember" ... rising
above fear... that which
ADOTH: Zamurito, I am One with Infinite, I am One
with Ego....
Zamurito:
Graz, okey dokey
Planetshpr:
Is/been/was/is...
Sparkling
Hope: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{JLook}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Tipherath:
ADOTH...you mean, "Does God have an
ego?"
Sparkling
Hope: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ADOTH}}}}}}}}}}}}
RBCF 3000:
ADOTH, I'm glad I'm not the only one!
Sparkling
Hope: wowzer.........I missed half my
friends coming in.........
ADOTH: Tipherath, no, I do not mean that....
REBKADVD81:
Tiph.....most obviously God
does......since we are part of that name
Brahmasthiti:
very good question Tip
Tipherath:
ADOTH, well, you should...
ADOTH: I am One with God, God is One with me....
JLook91968:
{{{{{{{{{{Sparkling}}}}}}}}}}
Starlight044:
i agree reb
ADOTH: Tipherath, No I should not. I am One with All.
LizWeissma:
All things have an ego except god
Grazhopprr:
there is no need to negate the ego
personality you. it needs only to be
woken up, bring in
Planetshpr:
what if we simply define ego as that
which fears and lives in illusion?
RBCF
3000: ADOTH, "... and we are one
happy fam-i-lee!" says Barney
Grazhopprr:
the completeness
REBKADVD81:
adoth......love it.....can we watch
your next real experience to see how much your One iss?
ADOTH: (o:
Tipherath:
ADOTH, but how can that be? You exist!
ADOTH: Well Put 3000.
ADOTH: Tipherath, I Am.... I am Ego, I am Soul, I am One with God and
All is God.
Brahmasthiti:
You understand Grazzy
Tipherath:
Trent...darned if I know, but it sure is
a fun one...
RBCF
3000: TrentAngeL, we are wrapping up the
7th class on Ecstatic Awareness...
Sparkling
Hope: Every creature/object animate and
inanimate is charged with the Cosmic Dust of the Infinite.
Planetshpr:
Watching to see if Adoth will create
a new star... or even just a lil ole tree....
REBKADVD81:
ADOTH......look you're on candid
camera......
Rochelle
adrift: how wonderful we get to share all
this like
Rochelle
adrift: this...thank you 3000 for a
wicked nifty topic
Selph2000:
PPlanet...i see that..."self"
as living within the five senses alone..while "Self"is being
Grazhopprr:
we, as we are, contain all of the
potential of our completeness left behind to be here
Tipherath:
ADOTH, but you prove the opposite by your
existence...strange, no?
RBCF
3000: TrentAngeL, tonight's theme is
"Noticing the Miraculous nature of reality"
LizWeissma:
I am the beautiful daughter of god
TrentAngeL:
god makes up mass.
Selph2000:
Awaken to who we really are
Sparkling
Hope: Therefore, the rocks
sing........the waters babble, the flowers Sparkle.....you radiate.....
REBKADVD81:
liz.....me too
ADOTH: Tipherath??? What do I have to
prove??? I am One.
Tipherath:
psst, ADOTH, oneness cannot exit
TrentAngeL:
mass makes up reality
Brahmasthiti:
hummm you lost me there Grazz?
TrentAngeL:
god force makes up reality
Rochelle
adrift: I better go now, cheers and love
to all:))))))
Sparkling
Hope: vibrant aliveness........
Rochelle
adrift: Mystic too
Planetshpr:
ok, Selph... I can go with
that. It DOES take us to the question,
however, as
RBCF
Heart: Liz, lower your caps
please(2nd request)
ReneeRichard:
Hi room
Sparkling
Hope: Bye Rochelle
Planetshpr:
as to whether perception is reality.
Grazhopprr:
we have had hundreds of
"ego",,,,hundreds of "personality", those are already in
completenes
DCizunas:
Liz, is there any way you can not use
all capital letters? (That's shouting)
TrentAngeL:
bye
roch
REBKADVD81:
adol.......you might be but with
whom and what.......
Brahmasthiti:
okay
Sparkling
Hope: {{{{{{{{{{{Graz}}}}}}}}}}}}}........you
have a beautiful mind......and 3000 seems to have a
Sparkling
Hope: way of bringing out the best in us
at times...... ; )
TrentAngeL:
what makes up an ego ?
Tipherath:
3000...congrats, you've an audience and
good talk, nice show my friend...
Planetshpr:
scroll up, Trent... it's what we're
discussing....
Brahmasthiti:
now I undertstand, but are you sure
you mean hundreds of egos?
ADOTH: REB, one is only limited by the perceptions
of Life. If you distinguish, then that
is your
Grazhopprr:
this personality is only one of
hundreds, and needs to be melded with the others that we are
ADOTH: limitations.
REBKADVD81:
trent.......an atom split.......adam
and eve?
RBCF
3000: Sparkling Hope, shucks
Sparkling
Hope: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{3000}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Brahmasthiti:
or just the transition of ours?
Planetshpr:
Nice class, 3K! Thanks!
REBKADVD81:
adoth.....i like tht ....yes....good
answer
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, do you think it would
fly at the Center?
TrentAngeL:
atom split
Planetshpr:
personally, I do, 3K.... I continue to be attracted to the
possibility.
Grazhopprr:
each ego is a singular event in
time, like this one is here. we think
we are alone.
Sparkling
Hope: Everything is STILL at the center,
3000........sheeeesshh........
Tipherath:
ADOTH...limitations = lack of knowledge
(for humans)
TrentAngeL:
god force came up w/ atom slipping so we wouldn't know his
plans
Starlight044:
hi sage
Selph2000:
Planet..our reality is totally determine
by our perception of what we think our lives are
Grazhopprr:
but the completeness of our spirit
contains all of them at once.
ADOTH: Tipherath, well said.
Planetshpr:
(Hope, he meant a specific Center)
Brahmasthiti:
okay I understand what you are saying
Grazz
Tipherath:
3000, nice roll
Sparkling
Hope: Planet.......yes.......I thought
so........I was j/k and he missed it......
Planetshpr:
ours IS, Selph... next question is.... is there an OBJECTIVE
reality?
Starlight044:
ain't that just like god trent?..lol
Sparkling
Hope: I've come a long way with this
dude.
REBKADVD81:
trent....ya thinkn
so.........Ancient false aeons fathers
Planetshpr:
;-)
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, that's why I
capitalized it
TrentAngeL:
Star...tricky fella/force an''t
he...hehe
Planetshpr:
3K... we'll talk....
ADOTH: ((((DCizunas)))))))
Grazhopprr:
as there is no time, we are living
countless "ego"s at once, this is only the one we are now
Sparkling
Hope: What a lovely woman/spirit that
is.........
Brahmasthiti:
Grazz you are aware of the Essence
behind who we think we are?
REBKADVD81:
<<thinkn i will bypass ego
plane and go to the next movie
Starlight044:
wow graz
Grazhopprr:
jesus spoke of his
"father" in heaven, he was refering to his own source of existance
TrentAngeL:
we ponder ponder ponder...to waste
time till we die, then know the BIG Answer
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, the only reason I can
say "this one" is
RBCF
3000: this one, is because I am at a flat
energetic-- the
RBCF
3000: second I begin to awaken, the
others appear, no?
Tipherath:
ADOTH...therefore human beings do not yet
Tipherath:
"grasp" (know) that bigotry is
counter-productive
Tipherath:
in the long run...but I'm off topic
Selph2000:
Planet...i think so..that why there's
always room for expansion in my reality
Planetshpr:
me too, Selph... that's my
experience also...
Selph2000:
<~~ open at the top
ADOTH: Tipherath, as One thinks, so One is....
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, would you say that
Jesus is a special
RBCF
3000: case, being formed intentionally
out of the Virgin
RBCF
3000: Matrix?
Grazhopprr:
3k, you can experience "the
others" anytime you open to that level
Grazhopprr:
3k, rumors, lol
Planetshpr:
"Virgin Matrix?" wow.
Tipherath:
ADOTH...spoken like a heroin addict I'm
afraid
Zamurito:
Graz, good point
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, so it seems. Then "this one" is pretty
arbitrary, right?
Cliffvines:
RBCF, what do u know about Jesus?
ADOTH: ???
Never done the stuff, didn't need to do it.
Grazhopprr:
lots of rumours of Jesus's origin,
doesn't matter
TrentAngeL:
ideas ideas ideas
Sparkling
Hope: uh oh.........judgement time is
coming.........I can just feel it.........
TrentAngeL:
thats whats so 'bout them...noone
dies over an idea..its beliefs that cause war and death
REBKADVD81:
cliff...wy you ask such a question?
Grazhopprr:
woke cliffvines up, heh
RBCF
3000: Cliffvines, I channel Jesus,
<He> appears in my
RBCF
3000: visions, <He> directs me to
Source. Does that do it?
Cliffvines:
I'm very interested in Jesus
TrentAngeL:
I don't know how close Jesus is to
the GForce
Brahmasthiti:
really 3000?
Sparkling
Hope: oh boy......private time? we can request that with the teachers?
Sparkling
Hope: wowzer
ADOTH: Selph2000, Light and Love to your Spirit as
well... (o: May your ego be unigeoic.
TrentAngeL:
maybe not as close as
"son" as he gets cerdited
TrentAngeL:
maybe..
Grazhopprr:
the only reason i brought up jesus
was to explain his perspective from his own personal
Grazhopprr:
christ
TrentAngeL:
It just dosen't feel right
Sparkling
Hope: unigeoic? hmmmmm...... sounds like a disease
RBCF
3000: Brahmasthiti, 'fraid so, and I
didn't even ask for it-- I was Jewish to start with.
Brahmasthiti:
I would like to know more 3000
Tipherath:
ADOTH...sheesh...ego's are what is
talking here, not perfect people
Cliffvines:
Whatever we search for Jesus
(Christ) is the ultimate reality, Hes all we search for
TrentAngeL:
Tip...balance is hard to have when
there is debate
Grazhopprr:
"my father" to jesus was
his own personal creator source, his christ, or which he is a part
Planetshpr:
3K... I had a similar experience and
I'm Jewish also...
Sparkling
Hope: Cliff........and he taught that
the kingdom of heaven is within........have you looked there
ADOTH: Tiperath, what has Perfect to do with
anything, whose perception of Perfect are you using???
LizWeissma:
when i graduate kindergarten then you shall have it adios
TrentAngeL:
it comes, it gose
Planetshpr:
Do you think He visits a lot of
jews?
Planetshpr:
<grin>
Tipherath:
ADOTH...respectfully, it's your ego I'm
listening to at the moment, filled with a "cause"/
TrentAngeL:
there is never a perfect
person..only blanced
Cliffvines:
Yes, His kingdom is wherever He is,
He also said I & the FAther are one,
Brahmasthiti:
hehehe
Planetshpr:
Hey! True story!!!!
::indignantly!!:: and I was NOT
smoking anything!
ADOTH: Tiperath, I am listening to me when I
listen to you.
REBKADVD81:
Cliff.....so if you know this Jesus
do you know his bride as well?
Tipherath:
ADOTH...then let me say this, I enjoy
talking to ya'...
Cliffvines:
Yes
Sparkling
Hope: Aloha Clarity
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Grazhopprr:
any jesus that you come in contact
with is your own christ perspective in form
ADOTH: Tipherath, can not two blooms or more be on
the same branch??? Yet is it not one
branch?
REBKADVD81:
cliff....and do you know him from
within the kingdom...or just baby jesus or the man jesus
Tipherath:
But ADOTH, the average person never hears
themself talking to themself
Brahmasthiti:
but you may be right
Claritybay:
jesus is one of my mentors
Planetshpr:
does the Son see himself shining?
<grin>
ADOTH: A wise ole owl, sat on an oak....
Grazhopprr:
the "jesus" man that lived
here on earth is on his own, doing his own thing, as we are
Brahmasthiti:
we will see
Sparkling
Hope: Excellent question, Planet...... I
do know that the earth sees the moon absorb the heat of
Cliffvines:
I know Jesus who humbled Himself to
be born in a barn as well as the triumphant King who wil
REBKADVD81:
thinkn a lot of people are really
being set up....
Cliffvines:
l hold all accountable
Tipherath:
ADOTH...I see, you've a cliff-edge point
of awareness...nice, good...
ADOTH: Tiperath, can on one person hear the voices
of humanity looking into the mirror?
MLR614:
Hi, everyone. I've been listening to all the great chat,
very interesting.
Brahmasthiti:
lol cliff hold yourself accountable
Sparkling
Hope: the sun to spare the
earth.......Living in that awareness, the earth is green with loving
So so
Rus: looks like a very indepth chat
tonight
Sparkling
Hope: intent.
Sparkling
Hope: ; )
SEEKNGSTUD:
<-- I knew this was gonna be a
jesus chat!
Cliffvines:
not big enufff
Tipherath:
So so...been fun
Brahmasthiti:
true
REBKADVD81:
seek......smile
Grazhopprr:
seeky, my fault this time, rofl
Brahmasthiti:
very true
RBCF
3000: Well, friends-- you seem to be
doing just fine, and I
RBCF
3000: need to mellow out. I'll see you
all next Monday.
RBCF
3000: Thanks for your wonderful
contributions!
Claritybay:
jesus was avery wonderful teacher
Planetshpr:
not OUR fault Seekng!!
Planetshpr:
LOL!
Sparkling
Hope: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{3000}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Thank you for you.
FoxesTruth:
oh darn it's over
ADOTH: ((((((3000)))))))< Light and Love....
So so
Rus: yeah its over!
Zamurito:
Thanks 3k.
REBKADVD81:
a master......jesus
Brahmasthiti:
that is true Clarity
RBCF
3000: FoxesTruth, it's not over when I
leave, I hope
Tipherath:
3000...during your "sessions"
the screen does move along...very nice, good for you
REBKADVD81:
one of many
Selph2000:
humaainity is our mirrowlol
MLR614:
Perhaps ego and judgement are one in
the same, and the very thing that blinds us
Tipherath:
Foxie?
Grazhopprr:
blame me, i studied him for years
from my inside out. he's my example to
follow
So so
Rus: its over when u leave troi
FoxesTruth:
3000.........the scheduled chat
is......
Tipherath:
The real one?
Cliffvines:
Clarity, do u know the basis of what
Jesus taught?
Claritybay:
yes jesus is certainly a master
FoxesTruth:
ip....is there any other??
Grazhopprr:
hope, the jesus chat here, lol
Claritybay:
there is only one thing to
teach-love
FoxesTruth:
Wonderful Brahm.........and you my
dear?
Tipherath:
3000...hey, don't expose the
SEEK...you're tipping over a Tarot card in that
Brahmasthiti:
lol riding the waves of the ocean
Cliffvines:
Clarity, He taught that He was the
only way, truth, life the only way to the Father
ANU777:
are we all now healed?
Brahmasthiti:
not so Cliff
AlazareanCrimson:
clarity
Tipherath:
It would figure, 3000, that the best
topic-driven
Tipherath:
chat host would have the most critics...
Grazhopprr:
cliff, he was speaking in 1st person
as the christ, not as jesus the only way
Cliffvines:
Look in John, BRahm
Blue
woofs: so this is how the other half
lives...:O)
RBCF
3000: Tipherath, I would love to meet
such a one
Planetshpr:
a man SHOULD be known by his enemies
and critics, eh?
Galaxon:
foxes we are depraved
Tipherath:
Even the Galaxon would agree...hehe...and
hi...
ANU777:
anyone been dreaming more than
usual?????????
Brahmasthiti:
cliff what did Jesus tell the one that
asked hime what it took to go to heaven?
Claritybay:
i do not agree with you cliff he
taught much more than that in fact he tought look within fo
Claritybay:
for god
REBKADVD81:
anu..yes.....
Zamurito:
Yes, Anu....
Blue
woofs: Foxes...where...my town ain't
seen rain in soooo long..Fresburg
ANU777:
REB driving me NUTS
Sparkling
Hope: Be like a little child....... <warm smiles>!!!!!!!!!!!
HOST
LFST Mystic: ANU... there has been a
planetary aspect to Neptune
Galaxon:
Jesus told him..."it takes $3 for
toll"
Sparkling
Hope: There's a planetary aspect to
everything.........
HOST
LFST Mystic: lol Hope
Cliffvines:
He asked the man to give up his idol
of money, setttling the issue of who is Lord
RBCF
3000: FoxesTruth, I live in CAlifornia,
didn't see any rain.
Brahmasthiti:
the Pharisee like you?
RBCF
3000: BTW, CA is not a place at all, just
a federal fiction
RBCF
3000: to subscribe us to the graduated
tax.
ANU777:
Mystic........animal imagery....then
all these old lovers..sweet Jesus
PDBLUE13:
Thanks for the greet Truth
FoxesTruth:
ah well...here in Fairfield then
HOST
LFST Mystic: <g> Anu sounds like fun
RBCF
3000: Good night, friends. <poof>