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RBCF
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RBCF
3000: As soon as your all settled and
ready, we'll be starting our fifth
RBCF
3000: class on Ecstatic Awareness or
Mystical Consciousness.
RBCF
Arwen: Ladies and
gentlemen..protocol please....
RBCF
3000: Ok, dear friends-- time to take all
private conversation into IMs
RBCF
3000: so we can get started-- we have a
lot to talk about tonight.
RBCF
Arwen: Welcome, , to our class in
Ecstatic Awareness.
RBCF
Arwen: The word
"ecstatic," refers to the mystical usage
RBCF
Arwen: referring to *outside of* all
normal states of
RBCF
Arwen: perception or awareness. TOS will be followed.
RBCF
Arwen: The class is
"informal" protocol. The instructor
RBCF
Arwen: will open a topic, intro it,
then go ahead with
RBCF
Arwen: question and answers,
repeating this process
RBCF
Arwen: several times. Tonight: Techniques, practices
RBCF
Arwen: and exercises leading to
ecstatic awareness.
RBCF
3000: Ok, class is beginning now, so
please go into protocol mode
RBCF
3000: and wait for discussion to open.
Thanks.
RBCF
3000: Welcome, everyone. Tonight is our
fifth class in
RBCF
3000: Ecstatic Awareness. To reiterate
for those who are
RBCF
3000: joining us for the first time, the
way we are using the
RBCF
3000: word "ecstatic" here
means entering into states of
RBCF
3000: consciousness, accompanied by
transformation of
RBCF
3000: being, in which the supernatural
and the Miraculous
RBCF
3000: can be witnessed, even including
the realms of
RBCF
3000: Divinity.
RBCF
3000: By the word "ecstatic," I
am not speaking of the
RBCF
3000: common vernacular for "very
happy" but, rather, the
RBCF
3000: mystical usage referring to
*outside of* all normal
RBCF
3000: states of perception or awareness,
sometimes known
RBCF
3000: at "second attention",
"silent knowledge", "self-
RBCF
3000: remembering" or "seeing."
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Tonight I am going to describe a
number of specific
RBCF
3000: practices that seem indispensible
for achieving
RBCF
3000: accelerated states of grace,
communion, vision,
RBCF
3000: revelation, epiphany, satori, etc,
in which we know
RBCF
3000: directly, even inside each other's
minds, and may even
RBCF
3000: be able to act directly on the
structure of reality.
RBCF
3000: This is what saints, wizards,
sorcerers, priests and
RBCF
3000: shamans used to be able to do, and
which is once
RBCF
3000: again within our grasp, if only our
grasp be delicate
RBCF
3000: and fine enough-- act directly on
the structure of
RBCF
3000: reality, using the laws of the
higher dimensionality
RBCF
3000: over the lower.
RBCF
3000: All of the major traditions use
various combinations of
RBCF
3000: these practices: the yogas, the
Buddhisms, Sufism,
RBCF
3000: shamanism, all native traditions,
and mystical religions.
RBCF
3000: Actually, almost all religions began
as a mystical
RBCF
3000: sequence for achieving ecstatic or
religious states,
RBCF
3000: and even for achieving the
coalescence of the Deity in
RBCF
3000: the virgin matrix (I'll be
explaining what I just said in a
RBCF
3000: future class).
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: The first of these practices is
meditation. But there is
RBCF
3000: not just one meditation; some of
the practices called
RBCF
3000: meditation actually take the person
further from the
RBCF
3000: goals we have been speaking of in
this class, which
RBCF
3000: include inner peace,
self-authority, silent knowing, and
RBCF
3000: states of grace, bliss and power.
RBCF
3000: Therefore I will focus on only the
types of meditation
RBCF
3000: that lead to such goals. In Zen,
they tell you, "Just
RBCF
3000: sit!" We are tasked to become innerly still, so
that
RBCF
3000: the gusts of our random thoughts,
the "requirements"
RBCF
3000: of our lives, emotional triggers
and physical urges,
RBCF
3000: restlessness and discomforts become
simply "scenery,"
RBCF
3000: background noise which can then be
tuned out.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: ******* This would be a good point
to hear from
RBCF
3000: anyone who has been doing these
types of practices.
ComtDeStGr:
what about affirmations?
RBCF
3000: (Now open floor for discussion on
your own practices)
Planetshpr:
Yes, 3000... many different forms of meditation,
beginning with Buddhist Turning the Wheel.
Bitsty:
I meditate daily..
ComtDeStGr:
do they qualify?
POUNCE51:
how do ya tune out everything ?
Planetshpr:
Also, Ch'i Gung, Reiki.
RBCF
3000: St. Germaine, affirmations per se
*can* be a practice
RBCF
3000: of this kind, but usually isn't--
know why?
Planetshpr:
All of them call forth an experience
of altered reality.
ComtDeStGr:
no why?
Witedragin:
Sexuality should be a good path to
estatic awareness!
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, yes-- I'll be getting
to those, and your knowledge of them will help us
Planetshpr:
;-)
ShimmyCocaBop:
attunement with nature is my apth
POUNCE51:
rbfc do u have any good web sites on
meditaions?
RBCF
3000: POUNCE, I will be explaining more
about that, but
RBCF
3000: basically it is to set up a
separate platform outside of
RBCF
3000: personality.
Insink22:
there are 2 kinds of silence thoughts seeking silence and the silence which freedoms
Insink22:
brings
Witedragin:
Kumar recomends repetition of the
names of Got to achieve awareness.
JeannieJ1:
true Insink
Planetshpr:
::admiring the way you put that,
Insink!::
ComtDeStGr:
Mantras too are not a part of this
group you speak of 3K?
Insink22:
in real meditation the meditators dies
NTASantaFe:
sweats utilize absence of awareness
with steam and vibrations for trigger
Insink22:
now who whats to do that?
Planetshpr:
Insink... or his/her EGO dies...
ShimmyCocaBop:
nta and the round of prayers
Insink22:
say it anyway you want
Insink22:
but you step into the fire
Insink22:
and you give up EVERYTHING
Planetshpr:
not the Self, but the self, dies.
RBCF
3000: Witedragin, I have been finding
that mechanical
RBCF
3000: repetition, even of the names of
God, ultimately
RBCF
3000: doesn't get us where we are going.
But done with the
RBCF
3000: right awareness, very powerful.
RBCF
3000: St. Germaine, yes, mantras can be
great!
Insink22:
hey we do it every note when we go to
sleep
ComtDeStGr:
but they are repititions
ComtDeStGr:
of the names of God
RBCF
3000: Insink, can you say more about
"thoughts seeking silence"?
Insink22:
time and space fall away
Witedragin:
Theoretically simple repetition of
the names of God causes awareness.
Insink22:
as asllep so awake
DCizunas:
One thing I've found is when you leave
all problems behind for meditation you do not get...
Insink22:
as asleep
Insink22:
so awake
DCizunas:
them all back when you return to a
normal state
Insink22:
the forcing of our internal dialogue to
shut up
POUNCE51:
like leave all daily concerns behind?
ShimmyCocaBop:
dciz good to remember and another
reason to practice
DCizunas:
Pounce, exactly...they have no place in
meditation
RBCF
3000: Witedragin, that is one of my daily
practices, but it
RBCF
3000: works because I stay present and
aware throughout
RBCF
3000: it, and listen innerly.
ComtDeStGr:
Is force not the hiding place of
thought?
POUNCE51:
well easyer said then done >=
Insink22:
suppression in other words
Witedragin:
DC!
Intend for problems to be solved in your supconscious during meditation.
Insink22:
freedom comes when we "give it all
up"
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, or, if they do return, we
meet them with something more, special, right?
DCizunas:
Wite...very true
UNANA: {{{{{Witedragin}}}}} {S drgnkiss} sorry, in IM land big time tonight
Insink22:
what ever drama it is
POUNCE51:
i need a good meditation
Witedragin:
3000! It is said also to work if you simply repeat without awareness.
RBCF
3000: Insink, *forcing dialog to shut up*
is only *more* internal dialog, I find.
DCizunas:
Exactly 3K....they just seem to fall
away or get solved
Witedragin:
Hi Unana.
Insink22:
freedom can fly in the face of anything
ComtDeStGr:
so stopping the internal dialogue is
the first step in this process?
Witedragin:
The inner smile is a great
meditation!
RBCF
3000: Witedragin, it will accomplish
something, but not what
RBCF
3000: we are doing in this particular
class-- this one is
RBCF
3000: *about* ecstatic awareness, and so
we will learn to
ComtDeStGr:
whatever this process might be
RBCF
3000: be *aware* and present in the
moment.
ShimmyCocaBop:
i like that
Insink22:
and when your free there is a silence
that leaves you mute
Insink22:
the internal dialogue holds our world
together
Insink22:
without it the world stops
ShimmyCocaBop:
don't think so insink
ComtDeStGr:
Perhaps you should continue
3K......I think we need more mental stimulus
RBCF
3000: Witedragin, I agree -- it has
helped me get through a lot!
Insink22:
don't think
Insink22:
and try it
Insink22:
lol
NTASantaFe:
preplanned purpose doesn't seem to
effect meditation for me, isn't that baggage
Witedragin:
Can I not be ecstaticly aware while
being almost totally unaware, say during sex!
RBCF
3000: Ok, ready to continue with
tonight's lesson -- back on protocol, please
Insink22:
you dreamed you went there your here
Grazhopprr:
lesson, lol
Insink22:
you can be aware in your dreams
Insink22:
but them your dreams are not dreaming
you
Insink22:
your are dreaming your dreams
ShimmyCocaBop:
lucid dreaming
RBCF
3000: Witedragin, hold that question for
a little bit-- we'll have more to say on it, ok?
Insink22:
being in dreaming
RBCF
3000: Ok, please hold comments
.......................................
Insink22:
is the second attention
RBCF
3000: .......................................................
RBCF
3000: In this stillness, it becomes easy
and natural to follow
RBCF
3000: our breathing, but I avoid those
meditations in which
RBCF
3000: they force the breathing according
to counts, or
RBCF
3000: anything unnatural. However, most
of us have been
RBCF
3000: taught all our lives to breathe in
an unnatural way,
RBCF
3000: from high up in the chest. Watch
the way a baby, a
RBCF
3000: kitten or a puppy breathes-- from
its belly. Its whole
Witedragin:
I would love to learn "dream
yoga" so as to be able to work while dreaming!
RBCF
3000: body moves with the breath, and it
relaxes utterly
RBCF
3000: completely.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Another typical exercise, this one
for the attention, is
RBCF
3000: to decide two or three times the
following day when
RBCF
3000: we will be there present to meet
ourselves and find
RBCF
3000: out what we are doing when we do
it. This turns out
RBCF
3000: to be much harder than remembering
dreams, or at
RBCF
3000: least as hard anyway, and the
technique for
RBCF
3000: accomplishing this goal is similar
to increasing dream
RBCF
3000: recall.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: It doesn't even sound like a
"technique" to describe it,
RBCF
3000: because it is so simple to say, yet
difficult to do. It is
RBCF
3000: to just keep intending to do it,
reinforced by each time
RBCF
3000: we come to and realize that it was
the farthest thing
RBCF
3000: from our mind when the time came
around for it. This
RBCF
3000: must be done with no violence, no
judgment for how
RBCF
3000: weak we are-- we are actually far,
far weaker than
RBCF
3000: we can imagine, at this point, but
the study of the
RBCF
3000: piano begins with very simple
scales.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: ******** This is often called
mindfulness. Do you
RBCF
3000: have experience with this sort of
thing? (Open floor
RBCF
3000: for discussion)
Insink22:
the second attention in our wakeful
hourss
DCizunas:
3K, are you saying that we should see
ourselves in the future during the meditation...don't
DCizunas:
understand
Insink22:
is the same as the second attention in
our dreams
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, not *during*, but while
setting it up in advance.
ComtDeStGr:
self awareness of daily activity
only takes place for me when I am wondering how others are
ComtDeStGr:
reactig to me
ComtDeStGr:
reacting
Insink22:
it is a feeling LIKE waking UP from a DREAM
Insink22:
THIS IS THE STATE we all seek
ComtDeStGr:
and then not in a observational way,
but as a tool to direct my situation
Insink22:
it is freedom
RBCF
3000: Insink, I don't find that we can
just place ourselves
RBCF
3000: into 2nd attention. It has taken me
40 years of
RBCF
3000: practices to do that more or less
consistently.
MLevin1962:
Did anyone try White Light for
extatic awareness ?
Insink22:
we are really in the moment
Insink22:
beauty is born of the moment
JeannieJ1:
True Insink
Insink22:
but we stalk this feeling
Insink22:
it starts with a mood
UNANA: <~
need to leave {{{{ Friends
}}} ::: blowing kisses around room
::: bye
RBCF
3000: St. Germaine, "wondering how
others are reacting to
RBCF
3000: me" is the opposite of what we
are trying to do.
RBCF
3000: Gurdjieff calls this "internal
considering"; don Juan calls
RBCF
Arwen: UNa*
Insink22:
and that mood is the hardest thing to
hold on to
RBCF
3000: it "self-importance". We
are going for "external
RBCF
3000: considering", which is mindfulness.
ShimmyCocaBop:
bye una
Insink22:
40 year hu?
Vibrant
Soul: RBCF, maybe u tryong to hard ?
ComtDeStGr:
ok
ALIVE819:
±†±
ComtDeStGr:
observing ourselves noncomittally
3K?
ComtDeStGr:
is that what your saying?
RBCF
3000: Insink, you are saying that 2nd
attention is our goal?
RBCF
3000: Maybe it will turn out to be our
goal for this class--
RBCF
3000: we'll see if we can agree on where
we get to.
RBCF
3000: Vibrant Soul, trying to hard what?
Witedragin:
I try to remain ecstatically aware
in meditation nearly constantly!
Insink22:
we are hynotised by the drama of life
and in dreams there too we are swept along
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, committed, but not
judging, see the diff?
Insink22:
we all need to get hip
with no ties
Insink22:
hehehe
Vibrant
Soul: to get 2nd attention
Insink22:
disenthrall ourselfs
Insink22:
yes
ComtDeStGr:
yes, noncomttal observation
RBCF
3000: Witedragin, I'd like to hear what
*you* mean by
RBCF
3000: "ecstatically aware". I
use this term in a particular way.
ComtDeStGr:
oh
ComtDeStGr:
ok
ComtDeStGr:
commited to what 3K?
Insink22:
our world id filled with stuff
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, committed to doing it,
simply.
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ComtDeStGr:
ok
Insink22:
is
Witedragin:
Not definable - must be experienced
to be understood!
ShimmyCocaBop:
and it is different for each one
Witedragin:
Anyway I have been advised not to
talk about sex.
RBCF
3000: Witedragin, then maybe we are
talking about the same
RBCF
3000: thing, because it is heightened
vibes of the organism,
RBCF
3000: right?
RBCF
3000: Witedragin, this really isn't about
sex, so we're safe.
Insink22:
we identification discrimination desire
SEEKNGSTUD:
sex??? :::ears perfked up!::::::
Witedragin:
organism or orgasm!
RBCF
3000: :::::: squeezes Seekng back into
the teapot :::::::
Witedragin:
Speak for yourself 3k!
Insink22:
this is the stuff of us
Insink22:
filled to the brim
Insink22:
me included of course
Insink22:
so filled with ourselfs
SEEKNGSTUD:
'scuse ME?? thanks Wite! {{{wite}}}
RBCF
3000: Ok, now onward with our class
material. Protocol
RBCF
3000: again, please
....................................
Insink22:
our energy is 95 % used
for the self image
RBCF
3000: (please hold comments)
.............................
Insink22:
self pity self importants
Witedragin:
Nite all! My freedom of expression is just too violated here!
RBCF
3000: (continuing ..............................................
RBCF
3000: The next "scale" we come
to in our study of our self,
RBCF
3000: is to take time at the end of the
day, after all the
RBCF
3000: things of the day are put aside, to
review the day in a
RBCF
3000: special way, as if rerunning the
events of the day
RBCF
3000: backwards. At first we are just
looking for what struck
RBCF
3000: us, what made an impression on us
for any reason.
RBCF
3000: Then we can start breaking it down
into separate
RBCF
3000: "runs" for mental or
visual impression, emotional
RBCF
3000: impressions, and then physical
impressions.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: During this review, we don't go
into judgment against
RBCF
3000: ourselves or against the other
people involved.
RBCF
3000: Instead, we are studying what it is
that we actually
RBCF
3000: do when we are triggered in all our
habitual ways.
RBCF
3000: Usually this is given with the task
of "remembering-
RBCF
3000: into-breathing."
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: For example, I am remembering how
Mr. So-and-so
RBCF
3000: seemed disrespectful of me. But I
don't go into how
RBCF
3000: distressed I should be over it, or
"how rude some
RBCF
3000: people are," but instead feel
the raw energy of that
RBCF
3000: impression wordlessly, and turn my
head to the right
RBCF
3000: while inhaling slowly, and then to
the left while
RBCF
3000: exhaling, all the while feeling how
that "disrespectful"
RBCF
3000: energy moves in me, what it is
attached to.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: ******* Have you done this type of
practice? What
RBCF
3000: do you find with it? (open floor for discussion)
ComtDeStGr:
no I just try to stuff it
Insink22:
garbage in garage out
ComtDeStGr:
don't know what to do with bad
feelings, really
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, do you know why
stuffing doesn't work very well?
DCizunas:
3K, this whole thing sounds like the way
we view tv or a movie on tv
ShimmyCocaBop:
after all these years of practice just
remembering to deep breathe is key
Insink22:
to travel infinity you have to travel
light
ComtDeStGr:
I don't know another way 3K
Insink22:
so you have to give up stuff to do this
light travel
NTASantaFe:
See no purpose in this self serving
meditation - greater purposes maybe
ComtDeStGr:
I know stuffing is wrong, but murder
and mayehm is worse
ComtDeStGr:
lol
Insink22:
and do you knw what you have to give up?
Insink22:
EVERYTHING
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, the practice I am
describing is to
RBCF
3000: *catch* the energies and triggers
*before* we have
RBCF
3000: time to assign blame, guilt, shame
and pain to them,
RBCF
3000: but just dance with them as pure
energy.
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, it starts something like
that, but we work
RBCF
3000: the energies directly, not vicariously.
Bhodisattva:
It''s always easier to talk about
what to do than it is to do it!
Insink22:
seeing everything as equal
Insink22:
all energy
Insink22:
is the same
ComtDeStGr:
I see, but don't we attach
immediately upon the experience 3K?
Insink22:
same atoms
RBCF
3000: ShimmyCocaBop, it's something if
you can do that!
ComtDeStGr:
by the time we get home its to late
Insink22:
no good no eveil all equal
RBCF
3000: Bhodisattva, have you had some
success with this?
Insink22:
you are recapping your day your life
Insink22:
everything
Insink22:
you give it up
ShimmyCocaBop:
that's the practice
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, very quickly, but not
*immediately*, it turns out.
ComtDeStGr:
we would have to turn our heads and
breath as we speak to the person infront of us!
ComtDeStGr:
I see
ComtDeStGr:
ok
Bhodisattva:
Well...I still draw the bath and sink
to the bottom...
RBCF
3000: Insink, yes, that's right.
DECLIGHT:
Just noting that to focus on the
ecstatic "experience" promotes it as having a value...
Insink22:
and the propose is to be formless
Insink22:
and yet still be
DECLIGHT:
but experience does not truly have value
Insink22:
after all
Insink22:
after all
Bhodisattva:
so I don't know if I'm qualified to
give any advice on how to handle the stuff
Insink22:
death
Insink22:
you still want to be here
Insink22:
even thou your formless
Bhodisattva:
the world presents as lessons
DECLIGHT:
beyond all experience, including
ecstatic ones...is that from which they arise and which
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, this particular stage
of the exercise is for
RBCF
3000: later. There is another stage, with
other skills, for the
DECLIGHT:
they take place
RBCF
3000: given moment. But this is the drill
to get there.
NTASantaFe:
just throw it in the river - takes two seconds
ComtDeStGr:
ok 3K
Bhodisattva:
anybody tried toning...
RBCF
3000: DECLIGHT, please explain. If experience is not the bottom line, what
is?
Insink22:
it is a state where you have no name no
family no country no honor
Insink22:
only life to be lived
Insink22:
now who want's that?
Insink22:
lol
ComtDeStGr:
what kinda life you got without no
name no family no honor?
Vibrant
Soul: Don Juan
DECLIGHT:
to seek experience is the opposite of
allowing awareness to arise correlated to where...
Insink22:
yes
DECLIGHT:
one seems to be in the world of
appearances
Insink22:
don juan
Insink22:
lol
Insink22:
hehehe
ComtDeStGr:
I guess you go live in a cave
DECLIGHT:
seeking a particular experience is like
the burning bush
Insink22:
there really is NOTHING GOING ON
Insink22:
you just think there is
Vibrant
Soul: oint is u only have to answer to
urself and not to any country or person
Vibrant
Soul: point
Insink22:
nothing was important until you thought
of something
DECLIGHT:
after looking for the reality of God or
whatever in a burning bush...
ComtDeStGr:
I see Vibrant
DECLIGHT:
one finds it instead in a still small
voice...but...
DECLIGHT:
later, then go looking for a still small
voice and can't find it there...and find it elsewhe
DECLIGHT:
re
ComtDeStGr:
so what was important before I
thought of something Insink?
DECLIGHT:
focusing on the form rather than the
substance
Bhodisattva:
give thanks for everything that
comes...it's all a blessing
DCizunas:
Am I on the right track when I say that
this would be for us as eternal to understand our ..
DCizunas:
...mortal experience
DECLIGHT:
good point Bhodi
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, I hope so!
ComtDeStGr:
we are trying to attain that state
of mind now Bhodi
Babyti1:
Does anybody know what imortality
is?????
DECLIGHT:
if one truly understands there mortal
experience wholly, then it isn't mortal experience any
DECLIGHT:
longer
RBCF
3000: Bhodisattva, that's another great
practice-- simple too, isn't it?
DCizunas:
So then, 3K, we reap all the benefits of
our human experience??
RBCF
3000: Babyti, I don't think anyone on
earth does.
Bhodisattva:
like all simple things it becomes
complex in the doing!
Babyti1:
It means you live forever
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, of course-- always and
all ways.
DECLIGHT:
immortality is the fact mortality tries
to cover with false evidence
Babyti1:
bye
ComtDeStGr:
we can bless all day, but if we
don't feel it what does it matter?
ComtDeStGr:
just another lie
DECLIGHT:
in short, mortality is denial
RBCF
3000: Babyti, actually, not like
that. Eternity is not "a really
long time" at all, I find.
CorvaVolpa:
hello
DECLIGHT:
Comt...depends on what one is calling
blessing
ANA
ooo: hello all
Bhodisattva:
then the question becomes..to whom
are we lying?
Insink22:
death can be transcended by an act of
creation
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, exactly-- so the point
is to *feeeeel* it, sincerely and completely, see?
DECLIGHT:
to bless and to pronounce blessing...are
quite a bit different
ComtDeStGr:
to be happy for whatever comes our
way
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ComtDeStGr:
I guess
Magycian:
Well blessings are going more to some
than others it seems
ComtDeStGr:
right 3K
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, not by "I
guess", but by complete commitment to it, passion! :))
Bhodisattva:
yes...accoeding to our consciouness.
Phiny7:
blessings are for all everywhere
DECLIGHT:
one need not feel anything
differently...that is just icing...sometimes on a worthless cake
RBCF
3000: Phiny, if we but look for them,
right?
ComtDeStGr:
Well, 3K, I find passion clouds my
ability to reason
ComtDeStGr:
which is more important?
Magycian:
Well you earn more blessings with good
acts than with bad
ComtDeStGr:
reason or passion?
DECLIGHT:
if one were to have pure passion...it
would be simply passion for their life...nothing more
Phiny7:
3000 ,, look??,, no t really,, faith,,
says they are
CorvaVolpa:
sorry what was the topic again?
Bhodisattva:
blessings aren't
"earned"...they are given
Magycian:
blessings are showered when good works
are done
RBCF
3000: Magycian, I find that it comes down
to personal integrity, not complying with a norm.
Bhodisattva:
give thanks ceaslessly
RBCF
3000: Phiny, that's what I meant, of
course.
ComtDeStGr:
If complying with the norm makes us
happy, are we blessing ourselves or not?
ComtDeStGr:
can we bless and be unhappy?
ShimmyCocaBop:
bhodi thanksgiving is a practice of
itself yes
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, different kind of
passion. I'll be getting to which kind this is soon.
ComtDeStGr:
are the two states compatible?
Bhodisattva:
for me that is true yes...
RBCF
3000: ...The kind of Passion that
*clears* the sight and the heart.
Phiny7:
to bless is to affirrm personal faith
ComtDeStGr:
ok 3K
Magycian:
transcendentalism?
RBCF
3000: Ok, we have a bit more to go in
tonight's lesson, so
ComtDeStGr:
not emotional passion, then buy joyful
desire
RBCF
3000: please use protocol once again now
RBCF
3000: ..............................
RBCF
3000: ........................................................
Bhodisattva:
to give thanks for everything is to
acknowledge the love of the Creator
RBCF
3000: Parallel to these exercises of
attention and centering,
RBCF
3000: we are always given some physical
practices to do.
RBCF
3000: They may be in the form of the
asanas or postures of
RBCF
3000: hatha yoga, which is the most widespread
yoga
RBCF
3000: practice in the West, or the moving
meditations of
RBCF
3000: Buddhism.
RBCF
3000: In Asia and Africa there are
traditions like the faqir, in
RBCF
3000: which adherants learn to endure
pain, mutilation and
RBCF
3000: even suspended animation, although
often without
RBCF
3000: understanding what they are
accomplishing. Often
RBCF
3000: these are done in religious
frenzies, where the faithful
RBCF
3000: walk on fire or broken glass, and
pierce their faces
RBCF 3000:
with spikes.
Magycian:
Well what grants the power?
RBCF
3000: (one moment more, please..........)
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: The physical discipline may take
the form of martial
RBCF
3000: arts, as in t'ai ch'i, aikido,
qi-gong or k'ung fu, or they
RBCF
3000: may be highly formalized dances.
The first three of
RBCF
3000: these contain the word ch'i (or
qi), which is the focus
RBCF
3000: of unity of attention, usually
visualized centered at
RBCF
3000: the solar plexus and then extended
out through the
RBCF
3000: hands, the feet, the voice or even
just the Will (this
RBCF
3000: does occur when mastery has been
achieved). The
Skater5824:
hey
RBCF
3000: fourth system, k'ung fu, means
something like "man
RBCF
3000: works hard for long time."
RBCF
3000: .
Skater5824:
14/m/ca
RBCF
3000: This makes sense once we realize
that the intent of
Skater5824:
hello everyone
RBCF
3000: k'ung fu is not to vanquish an
outer enemy, but to
RBCF
3000: conquer the self: our habits, our
chatter, our
RBCF
3000: pettiness, our sloth, our
self-justifications about
RBCF
3000: everything. The man we refer to as
"Confucius" is
RBCF
3000: actually K'ung-fu tzu" which
means "master of k'ung
RBCF
3000: fu" or "he who has done
the work."
RBCF
3000: .
ComtDeStGr:
wow
Magycian:
<---advocate of practice
RBCF
3000: ****** Do you know something about
handling Ch'i power? (Open for discussion)
Magycian:
Oui
RBCF
3000: Magycian, how do you mean,
"What grants the power?"
ComtDeStGr:
no, but it sounds like them chinese
know whereof they speak
Insink22:
the right handling of power
Magycian:
Well there is a "key" which
must be obtained
Babyti1:
how are things peple?/
ComtDeStGr:
what key?
Insink22:
you make a bid for the power and then
you perpare yourself for death
Phiny7:
chi power being ________ ??
RBCF
3000: Magycian, for sure-- there are many
levels of the
RBCF
3000: keys, and they seem to fit the DNA
patterns,
Magycian:
A key to unlocking the universe
RBCF
3000: curiously.
Bhodisattva:
Life force...light,,energy
ComtDeStGr:
wow, where do you find that?
ShimmyCocaBop:
learning to stand in our power and not
leak it
RBCF
3000: Phiny, it's the integrated focus of
attention as Will, like laser intention.
Magycian:
There is a heirarchy and one must have
the key
Babyti1:
you guys are talking in big people
language. You must be little
people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phiny7:
inward meditation??
Insink22:
i am a good for nothing nobody
ComtDeStGr:
Baby, where is the key?
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, it's around
everywhere-- I got it on sale
ComtDeStGr:
lol 3K
Fdbros:
bon jeur
ComtDeStGr:
3K, I imagine it unlocks the
.....brooklyn bridge?
ComtDeStGr:
lol
Magycian:
There is one "Saint" that holds
a particular key
ComtDeStGr:
who is that Magy?
ShimmyCocaBop:
magy the key is within evryone's reach,
especiall as consciousness shifts
Lorinaz:
lol3KI agree 3K
Magycian:
Well different Saints for different keys
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, when you have the real
thing, it unlocks the Crystal Bridge
Babyti1:
trying to be dashing through the snow
in a one horse open sleogh o're the fields
we go
ComtDeStGr:
the Anakaranda?
Babyti1:
laughing all the way
Babyti1:
ha,ha,ha,
RBCF
3000: Magycian, it's not really in the
hands of one particular mortal, thank God
Magycian:
Well as long as youre at the level
NTASantaFe:
Oh tell us about the real thing, the
crystal bridge
Spirit
Heart9080: :-)\
Magycian:
No not mortal
DCizunas:
3K, are these exercises eventually done
at the same time?
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, what is Anakaranda?
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, yes, in streamlined form
for real-time presence
ComtDeStGr:
it is the bridge between Man and God
ComtDeStGr:
used in Ascension
Insink22:
you make a bid for power power is impersonal
ComtDeStGr:
it deals with the silver cord
Babyti1:
Dashing through the snow
Babyti1:
in a one horse open sleigh
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, I suppose you could say
that, but it's
NTASantaFe:
Not into assension, but do enjoy the
light
RBCF
3000: better to keep it simple and
personal for a long while.
Babyti1:
o're the fields we go
Babyti1:
laughing all the way
Spirit
Heart9080: ha
Babyti1:
ha, ha, ha, ha
ComtDeStGr:
k 3K,....you da man
Babyti1:
bells on bobtails ring\
RBCF
3000: NTASantaFe, Castaneda had a vision
of it in the bank
RBCF
3000: of fog, I've gotten it in several
different trances.
Babyti1:
making spirits bright
Babyti1:
what fun it is to ride and sing
Babyti1:
a sleighing song tonight
Phiny7:
to remain simple is the best,, live
simply so others can simply live
Spirit
Heart9080: ohhhhhhh.......
NTASantaFe:
RBCF - do you know the source
Rnonblond:
is the topic ascension or martial arts ??
I went to wash the kids hair..we were on martial
Babyti1:
oh, jingle bells
Magycian:
a vision of the extatic state?
Rnonblond:
arts...now its Christmas carols and
ascension...
Magycian:
Extacy I believe
RBCF
3000: I'd still like to hear your
experiences handling ch'i
RBCF
3000: power-- breaking boards or
telekinesis?
ShimmyCocaBop:
phiny hard to do in these times, live
simply
RBCF
3000: NTASantaFe, source of what?
Magycian:
practices to do for experiencing extacy
ComtDeStGr:
3K, I find my chi in a baseball bat
Babyti1:
jingle bells, jingle all the way, h
what fun it is to ride and sing, a sleigng song tonight
ComtDeStGr:
or a tire iron
Phiny7:
shimmy depends on personall choices,,
Rnonblond:
<~~breaks boards...
ComtDeStGr:
so I am without chi since I gave
that up
ComtDeStGr:
lol
Phiny7:
3000 telekinesis,, ,, mm works,,
ShimmyCocaBop:
yes it is a practice too
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, how would you like to
find more power in a gentle open hand?
Magycian:
The body can handle more and more Chi
with practice
Rnonblond:
you gave up your chi Comt??? LOL
Phiny7:
with much practise by all parties,
ComtDeStGr:
I would love it 3K
JJones6102:
Hi all, what happened to the reading
room?
Magycian:
<---Peace advocate
RBCF
3000: Magycian, aside from practice, what
else has to change in us?
Grazhopprr:
< observing advocate
Rnonblond:
hiya Grazzzzzzzzzy...
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, I love the stories in
the Aikido literature
RBCF
3000: about how they vanquish violence
with gentleness.
Magycian:
Purity...
Insink22:
nothing changes we redeploy our energy
ShimmyCocaBop:
too much chi can get stuck, ned to
release it
Grazhopprr:
hiyaaaaaa rnonny,,,,like yer color
ComtDeStGr:
haven't had much experience with
that 3K
Magycian:
Yes Shimmy
Rnonblond:
like yers too Grazzzy...LOL
RBCF
3000: Magycian, "impeccability"
I guess is don Juan's word for it, right?
Insink22:
so it flows free and is aimed at
infinity
Babyti1:
what is up people?
Rnonblond:
didnt know I was in same color as you...
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ComtDeStGr:
gentleness is usually left on the
barroom floor bleeding
MoutonLion:
Hello Everyone
Seira413:
Greetings all
ShimmyCocaBop:
don't go into bars
RBCF
3000: Babyti, we're finishing up a formal
class-- the
RBCF
3000: announcement was made in IMs, which
yours is OFF.
Magycian:
Who is Don Juan, LOL?
Phiny7:
3000,, gentleness by example,,,
Rnonblond:
so 3K...what exactly is the topic??
RBCF
3000: Magycian, Carlos Castaneda's
teacher.
Grazhopprr:
i got 31 after
Seira413:
I didn't get an IM :(
no one acknowledges my existance
Seira413:
::sniff::
Magycian:
Not the famous lover?
Rnonblond:
I have just read up on Carlos
Castenada...awesome teacher...
MoutonLion:
there there Seira its ok
RBCF
3000: FOR ALL THE RECENT ARRIVALS WHO
HAVE THEIR IMs OFF, here is what we are doing this hour:
Rnonblond:
my IMs turned off...so I didnt get he
topic...
Seira413:
::sniff:: thanks mouton
Insink22:
don juan is a famious lover
Grazhopprr:
{{{{{{{ seiraaaaaaaa }}}}}}}}},,,,i
still love ya :o)
Seira413:
I'm talkin in IM with friend, my IMs
arent off!
Insink22:
he lusted after EVERYTHING as equal
Magycian:
Is it the same guy Insink?
MoutonLion:
Don Juan is also a Yaqi Indian
Shaman
Seira413:
{{{{{{GRAZZY!}}}}}}}}}}}}}
RBCF
3000: THIS is a formal class till
midnight. The subject is
RBCF
3000: Ecstatic Awareness, and the
practices which help us
RBCF
3000: attain it.
Seira413:
thanks babe!
Seira413:
ecstatic awareness?
Grazhopprr:
oh, my bad, back to my corner
Magycian:
So Chi can be increased through the
imagination
Rnonblond:
so ...martial arts being a big part of
that....
Rnonblond:
ok...gotcha 3K...
MoutonLion:
yes Seira kind of like Kundalini
rising
Bhodisattva:
rbc...have you done any practic with
sound?
Seira413:
obee kabee
RBCF
3000: Rnonblond, they sure *can* be, if
used consciously as a tool for self-knowledge.
Insink22:
3000 would you call chi the creative energy
RBCF 3000:
Bhodisattva, hugely-- for hours each day.
Rnonblond:
its used inappropriately these days...
Rnonblond:
used for sport ...lost the traditions of
it..
ComtDeStGr:
not rock and roll 3K
ComtDeStGr:
lol
RBCF
3000: Insink, it *can* support creative
power.
Bhodisattva:
what? chanting...toning?
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, not usually, but not
excluded either.
ComtDeStGr:
3K where does music fit into all of
this?
Magycian:
Yeah I heard you say the secret word
3000
Seira413:
alright, well. i apparently dont have a clue as to what this is all about, so
i'll see ya
Seira413:
all later
RBCF
3000: MoutonLion, kundalini can be very
tricky to handle-- few know how.
Rnonblond:
music has got to fit in all this...
MoutonLion:
tis true RB
MoutonLion:
in its history it has made sopme go
mad
ComtDeStGr:
I know Germain suggest classical
music, IF you must have music
ComtDeStGr:
so I don't know
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, I'll be getting to
music as a whole class
RBCF
3000: in ths series, but basically it
aligns our emanations and
RBCF
3000: anchors particular trance states.
Rnonblond:
especially when people like Everlast are
writing such songs as the one with Santana..
RBCF
3000: ... Music shows us the way back to
the Miracle.
ComtDeStGr:
k 3K
Phiny7:
3000,, for sure,,, music is a direct
link to the creator
NightPath:
Music is a vibration..as you are..dang
NTASantaFe:
Miracle ?
Grazhopprr:
CCR must not fit in that category
RBCF
3000: Ok, please hold comments for a
minute-- going on to
RBCF
3000: next idea
.......................................
RBCF
3000: PROTOCOL PLEASE
......................................
Rnonblond:
hey...I gotta go now...see ya all
laters...
RBCF
3000: Although I have undergone the study
of several of
RBCF
3000: these martial arts systems, I am
especially drawn to
RBCF
3000: the power of sacred dance, which is
an important
RBCF
3000: component of many mystical
religions, including the
RBCF
3000: Sufi-Dervish traditions and many
shamanic religions.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: These sacred dances may be as
simple as side-to-side
RBCF
3000: or back-and-forth movements or
swaying, or they may
RBCF
3000: be as elaborate as clockworks, in
which each limb has
RBCF
3000: its own pattern and rhythm to
follow, and the dancers
RBCF
3000: follow a pattern among themselves,
such as the
RBCF
3000: progression of the enneagram.
RBCF
3000: .
Magycian:
Sounds like fun 3000
RBCF
3000: These dances are done to
repetitious melodies and
RBCF
3000: songs, although the songs may
sometimes be nothing
RBCF
3000: more than certain kinds of vocal
scales. But often the
RBCF
3000: songs are just as elaborate as the
physical
RBCF
3000: movements, and require a keenly
honed, accelerated
RBCF
3000: and highly disciplined
differentiation of the attention.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: What this means is that faculties
of attention,
RBCF
3000: cognition and volition are put to
work which have been
RBCF
3000: dormant most of the time, usually
showing up in
Insink22:
action with out thought
RBCF
3000: flashes of genius, strokes of
creativity and response
RBCF
3000: to catastrophe. There is no room
left for wool-
RBCF
3000: gathering, narration, categorizing,
comparing or day-
RBCF
3000: dreaming; all the attention is
fully engaged in the
RBCF
3000: present, and a consciousness begins
to emerge in us
RBCF
3000: which perceives and cognates in
entirely new ways,
RBCF
3000: generally without words at all,
except for the lyrics of
RBCF
3000: the songs.
RBCF
3000: ****** Well, friends, those are the
practices that I'd
RBCF
3000: like you to start trying on your
own. Now let's hear
RBCF
3000: your questions and comments.
ComtDeStGr:
enneagram?
Insink22:
big word
ComtDeStGr:
explain that please 3K
Magycian:
Not many of those around here, LOL
Phiny7:
sufi must be practised 100% to
understand and own th e concept
ComtDeStGr:
3K did you log this chat? I forgot
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, there are pop books out
about using the
RBCF
3000: enneagram for match-making, but it
is an instrument
RBCF
3000: of consciousness.
ShimmyCocaBop:
the music of nature is powerful and
centering
Insink22:
tance
dance
Insink22:
trance
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, yes, I'll be uploading
the logue to the library. Remind me.
ComtDeStGr:
is it like an energy pattern 3K?
ComtDeStGr:
ok 3K
KylerKay:
Blessings
WhiteTachi:
Corva*
Insink22:
your either liberating or masterbating
CorvaVolpa:
hello
ShimmyCocaBop:
insink this moon will be good for that trance dance
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, it appears as a diagram
of the
RBCF
3000: relationship between the Law of
Three and the Law of
RBCF
3000: Seven-- that is, octaves and
triggers.
ComtDeStGr:
ahhhh
ComtDeStGr:
huh?
ComtDeStGr:
lol
ComtDeStGr:
never mind
ComtDeStGr:
I understand
Insink22:
for some it will be good for
"gettin' it on
Phiny7:
3000,, yes droning tones moves one to
another 'place'...
RBCF
3000: Insink, are you referring to
tonight's subject
RBCF
3000: ?
Alisnntrnt:
3K, have any links for that?
CorvaVolpa:
subject?
Insink22:
you can dance to forget or dance to
remember
Phiny7:
dance as if no one is looking!
Grazhopprr:
< can't dance
ComtDeStGr:
3K is lack of rhythm a drawback
here?
Magycian:
Oh gosh Im embarassed, LOL
Insink22:
dances can be for power as in war the war danc
Insink22:
or for love the mating dancwe
MagicGspot:
what happened to the sceduled chat?
NTASantaFe:
wouldn't think one would have to
learn these natural dances
Gollyjoe:
hi 15f
ComtDeStGr:
its still going on Magic
Magycian:
We are responding Magic
MagicGspot:
oh ok hahah
ShimmyCocaBop:
nta people freeze over
Magycian:
That was real Magic, Im embarassed
CorvaVolpa:
<<< lost and confused
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, I don't have much
native rhythm, but in
RBCF
3000: the various trances, I can sing in
a new voice and my
RBCF
3000: feet lead the way.
Magycian:
Everyone will see me dancing, LOL
Insink22:
we all have a dance a posture that we
will all dance before we die we will dance it for our
Insink22:
death
NTASantaFe:
Dancing to the earths rythms is
almost fetal dna
RBCF
3000: Insink, sounds like don Juan, eh?
ComtDeStGr:
Insink try typing without the book
Insink22:
i am a juntist first and last
MagicGspot:
hahaha comt
Magycian:
I'll stick with Hatha Yoga
Bhodisattva:
Good night all...blessings unto
everone this season...Namaste
Insink22:
the book?
ShimmyCocaBop:
namaste
Insink22:
lol
Insink22:
i live this
CorvaVolpa:
Blessings
Insink22:
i will choose the moment of my death
ComtDeStGr:
let me Insink
MagicGspot:
see what this town does to a fella
DivaofFire:
Magic honey.. I bet you are havin a
hayday with THIS topic.. LMAO
Insink22:
it does'nt get any deeper than that
Fdbros:
i like to feel the spirtual awareness
of my whole being and then go into a trance like state
Fdbros:
and write a kick ass rock n foll song
Insink22:
you get to choose a new age
RBCF
3000: I'm going to open the chat up for
open discussion, so
RBCF
3000: I'd like to wish you all a happy
holiday. Class themes
RBCF
3000: are in my newsletter, so please
email me if you would
RBCF
3000: like it sent. Next class in TWO weeks.
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ComtDeStGr:
thank you 3K for your patience and
kind indulgences
RBCF
3000: (I'll be posting the logue of this
session in the New Age library)
ComtDeStGr:
Happy Holy Days to you , Sir
RBCF
3000: ComtDeStGr, I totally enjoy you
Alisnntrnt:
thanks 3K
Insink22:
best class on aol or anywhere i seen
RBCF
3000: Insink, wow! Thanks.
RBCF
3000: Ok, friends-- Happy New
Millennium!
RBCF
3000: <poof>
Alisnntrnt:
namaste'
DCizunas:
Same to you 3K