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Freethinker40:
i have been pretty busy .....Mag
RBCF
3000: Good evening, dear friends.
RBCF
3000: Sparkling Hope, and now there is
another (semi) formal chat that
RBCF
3000: goes to midnight
RBCF
3000: (So tuxes are optional
Sparkling
Hope: 3000.......and what is the
semi-formal chat on?
BrthrMonk:
:::throws off formal robes:::
GeeBlondie:
put the coffee on
RBCF
3000: Tonight is our third class in
Ecstatic Awareness. To reiterate for
RBCF
3000: those who are joining us for the
first time, the way we are using
RBCF
3000: the word "ecstatic" here
means entering into states of
RBCF
3000: consciousness, accompanied by
transformation of being, in which
RBCF
3000: the supernatural and the Miraculous
can be witnessed, even
RBCF
3000: including the realms of Divinity.
GeeBlondie:
jammys and slippers brthr?
BrthrMonk:
:::sits back aunatural::::
RBCF
3000: By the word "ecstatic," I
am not speaking of the common
RBCF
3000: vernacular for "very
happy" but, rather, the mystical usage referring
RBCF
3000: to *outside of* all normal states
of perception or awareness,
RBCF
3000: sometimes known at "second
attention", "silent knowledge", "self-
RBCF
3000: remembering" or
"seeing."
RBCF
3000: Tonight I thought it might be
interesting to examine literature, film
RBCF
3000: and other media, especially science
fiction in the modern culture. It
RBCF
3000: used to be done through myths,
fables, faerie tales, religion
RBCF
3000: architecture, art, music and
theatre.
GeeBlondie:
For sure 3000 the media has
contributed greatly to people being able to experience
GeeBlondie:
a higher state of consciousness
LucidDreamweaver:
Fascinating subject matter 3000 This
outta be good.
GeeBlondie:
interesting that about the time we
think we have reached that higher state,
GeeBlondie:
something happens to bring us back
into our physical reality
Magycian:
You going to tell us how to reach extacy
3000 or was that last week?
RBCF
3000: {{{{{ Light affection to StarzTears
and Kiyas4 and all my dear
RBCF
3000: friends }}}}}
StarzTears:
=)
Planetshpr:
~ ~ ~ ~waving at 3K from corner
couch.
BLURP
223: those who speak do not know, and
those who know do not speak;; seems a tough subject
RBCF
3000: Magycian, it will take most of a
year to get to where I want to go
Magycian:
all topics should be about reaching
extacy it would seem.
GeeBlondie:
ectsasy for me has happened when I
least expect it, lifts me up and brings tears to my eyes
SnoLitNite:
hey Gala ;*)
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, sure-- get comfy!
Magycian:
Wow that quickly 3000
Magycian:
I told a guy 3 years last night, LOL
StarzTears:
Ectasy came to me when there was
nothing to describe what I experienced
ANA
ooo: ::;climbing on yon couch...curling
round a pillow...getting comfy:::
Magycian:
Is that the topic though?
RBCF
3000: Magycian, well, *i* will get where
I'm going, and whoever comes
RBCF
3000: along for the ride
BLURP
223: for those of us earthed in the King
Arthur legends, we call extacy having a GRAIL MOMENT
Magycian:
That doesnt sound very compassionate
3000, back three spaces
RBCF
3000: Tonight I have several examples
from film and media to illustrate
RBCF
3000: what we might find in ecstatic
awareness. Ready for an interesting
RBCF
3000: ride?
GeeBlondie:
and Joseph Cambell described it as
entering a state of Bliss
RBCF
3000: Magycian, good observation!
BLURP
223: seek your bliss, yes, joseph would
say alot tonight, if he could
RBCF
3000: Ok, friends-- get comfortable, and
I will take you through an
RBCF
3000: adventure of the Mind and
Spirit..............
RBCF
3000: (Please hold comments, questions,
greets, etc., till an idea has
RBCF
3000: been rolled out-- I'll let you
know.............
RBCF
3000: As an example, one of my recent
favorite movies is "Contact."
I
RBCF
3000: was rather amazed to find such a
strong spiritual message in a
RBCF
3000: story written by a long-time
skeptic, Carl Sagan, who was on the
RBCF
3000: advisory board of the society for
debunking claims of the
RBCF
3000: paranormal!
RBCF
3000: In "Contact," the search
for an intelligence beyond human,
RBCF
3000: something that could make sense not
only of the universe, but of
RBCF
3000: the seeker's own personal grief and
yearning, is portrayed in the
RBCF
3000: metaphor of a technological search
for radio signals from outer
RBCF
3000: space.
RBCF
3000: This corresponds very well with a
devotee's meditating all night for
RBCF
3000: years in the hope of receiving a
vision or a message from God.
RBCF
3000: ******* Does that sound like your
own experience, if you've been
RBCF
3000: searching for some kind of answers?
MoMolly2:
yes
Magycian:
Well my answer is have you been saying
your grace before meals
BLURP
223: << not looking for a vision or
message here, its all inside, just trying to access it
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RBCF
3000: BLURP, how will you access what's
inside without getting some kind
RBCF
3000: of transmission?
Magycian:
Im with God every moment as far as Im
concerned
Cuddleman1:
Blurp, have you done meditation?
RBCF
3000: Magycian, does that mean you have
achieved everything you want
RBCF
3000: to?
BLURP
223: its all there for the taking, i have
been in that state for three months and it was just....
BLURP
223: ..... like they say it is,,,
wonderful
Magycian:
Well the Buddhist philosophy says
enlightenment is not something out there
Magycian:
It is here and now..thus
RBCF
3000: BLURP, do you get there through
meditation, or shamanic work like
RBCF
3000: drumming, or prayer, or what?
BLURP
223: meditation is not my method, but
cleansing, physical and mental, lotta work
StarzTears:
I believe we have to program and
condition ourselves..to unlearn all we have learned, so
StarzTears:
that doorways can open
Magycian:
So thus for me...
Cuddleman1:
How does one open one's heart?
BLURP
223: deep concentration and study worked
for me, none of the usual physical means helped
RBCF
3000: StarzTears, does it prove to be a
straightforward procedure, or are
RBCF
3000: there unexpected side paths and
surprises?
StarzTears:
3000 I know there are unexpected and
side paths..many surprises
RBCF
3000: Cuddleman, the best way that I've
found to open the heart is to be
RBCF
3000: of humble service-- that doesn't
mean offering advice, it means
RBCF
3000: really serving without agenda.
BLURP
223: main thing we have learned, it
seems, is we must fear/hate, and all it does is hurt us
Cuddleman1:
RB, that sounds good
StarzTears:
I find these side paths and
surprises can be of great teaching
BLURP
223: what kind of service?
MoMolly2:
im tired of the surprises.. they are
painful
RBCF
3000: StarzTears, but do they seem like
nice lessons at the time, or only
Planetshpr:
Blurp, it was the UNlearning of
that, which surprisingly took me to an experience of ecstacy
RBCF
3000: later do you see why it was?
MoMolly2:
back, teeth heart oiuch!
StarzTears:
3000 no way..just like Mo said..they
can be painful
BLURP
223: pain is a great teacher, ask it its
message, works for me
Cuddleman1:
RB, are you in service at this time?
StarzTears:
later it shows why it was
MoMolly2:
well it means my body is mad at me
Planetshpr:
indeed, Blurp. me too.
RBCF
3000: Cuddleman, yes, and it is often
agonizing, but more rewarding than
RBCF
3000: anything.
Cuddleman1:
in what capacity?
Planetshpr:
I've gotten to ecstasy by
transcending pain.
MoMolly2:
what is Ecstacy? define?
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, is mutilation a good
idea??
Planetshpr:
Mo... scroll.
Magycian:
Well I carry the magicians definition of
extacy...
Galaxon:
isnt ecstacy an abundance of love?
Planetshpr:
<grin>.. uh, I wouldn't
recommend it, 3K... One does not have to go looking for pain..
StarzTears:
Mo I think its impossible to
describe..at least what I experienced to be ectasy
MoMolly2:
happiness, and feeling complete, secure
right/
Planetshpr:
trust me, it WILL find us! LOL!
Magycian:
I would say unmeasureable joy and love
BLURP
223: after watching the movie DUNE<
where he ignores pain cause it is a mind illusion
RBCF
3000: MoMolly, I define it as extremely
special states of consciousness,
RBCF
3000: outside of normal ego, outside of
what we "know", whole new
RBCF
3000: ranges of feeling...
Cuddleman1:
Ecstasy for me has been a connection
of love to God
Magycian:
Well its like death really...
Planetshpr:
(why, 3K? would YOU recommend it?)
Freethinker40:
Illumination happens where there is the
greatest poised balance of the conscious mind.
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, I wonder why different
cultures have religious mutilation
RBCF
3000: then. How do you undergo pain to get to ecstacy?
StarzTears:
what I experienced was not any
awareness of my "self"..it just was this awesome
"something"
Magycian:
Its death within life
LucidDreamweaver:
Very nicely put there Free
ANA
ooo: I agree Cuddleman
Planetshpr:
3K, I find that "pain" is
a judgment.,
Freethinker40:
The Ego must feel safe to o
MoMolly2:
a metanioa
Planetshpr:
when I transcend the judgment, I
release it... and I arrive at
"ecstatic state"
RBCF
3000: Cuddleman, good way to put it--
now, how do we achieve that?
Planetshpr:
Bliss.
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, exactly right-- agree
100%
LucidDreamweaver:
Hello Vishal
BLURP
223: transend judgement = get rid of
preconcieved ideas and expectations? sound ok
Cuddleman1:
I had the assistance of anohter to
clear out the junk, quiet the mind, so I could feel what
Cuddleman1:
is already inside
Planetshpr:
<---don't do that, 3K! You'll feed my ego! LOL!
RBCF
3000: MoMolly, I love that word-- like
the evolution from paranoia, right?
StarzTears:
indeed..when I started analizing my
experience it was gone
Magycian:
Death is the release of all pain and a
great grace...
MoMolly2:
cuddle.. who was that? i would liek to
ask
Vishal:
Omshanti Lucid and the rest of the
divine bros n sistrs
RBCF
3000: :::::::: gets a bag for Planet's
head to explode in :::::
Cuddleman1:
Jesus and Krishna talked about
having the heart of a child
BLURP
223: question: what did the assistance of
another do? super curious here
Planetshpr:
::chuckling::
Magycian:
Omshanti Vishal friend
Freethinker40:
Such states lead to a condition of
mental, psychic and physical health.
MoMolly2:
no RBCF.. it is not paranioa.. you dont
know the meaning of that?
RBCF
3000: StarzTears, sounds like a dream,
sort of, right? Have to be very
RBCF
3000: quiet and receptive?
StarzTears:
yes...just let it be
Cuddleman1:
Blurp, lets see
RBCF
3000: MoMolly, I said evolution *from*--
I know what metanoia means--
RBCF
3000: like epiphany, right? Satori.
Cuddleman1:
Someone that has experienced the
light can potentially guide one who has not into teh light
AJay200:
wow busy room
Planetshpr:
indeed, Cuddleman... that is how I
initially found this too.
MoMolly2:
is a change of heart.. not paranioa
RBCF
3000: Cuddleman, yes, heart of child is
good direction to go.
BLURP
223: interesting, thank you,,, when i
experienced it, no one could follow or even understand,
Planetshpr:
Thank goodness, Blurp, our numbers
are growing!
Cuddleman1:
RBCF, but how does one take themselves
to the heart of a child?
AJay200:
so how are we tonight
Magycian:
Yes you parachuted into in Vish
Cuddleman1:
I believe it might reqiure outside
intervention
MoMolly2:
to look at everyone with innocence.. and
learn to trust agian
ANA
ooo: ..or assistance
RBCF
3000: Cuddleman, get totally humbled,
submit to will of Master or guru, go
RBCF
3000: into service or seclusion for a
decade or two...
StarzTears:
Cuddle that is where the
"unlearning" comes in..you have to forget all the negativity you've
BLURP
223: live in the immediate moment, as
children do, my opinion
StarzTears:
taught
StarzTears:
all the limitations
Cuddleman1:
RBCF, that is true, but
Cuddleman1:
It is possible to do it in a shorter
time
Vishal:
we are currently living in wrong
awreness
Vishal:
we think we are these perishable
bodies
StarzTears:
children believe in everything
untill they are told otherwise
Vishal:
the truth is we are immortal souls
RBCF
3000: Cuddleman, how short a time do you
plan on? Total change of
RBCF
3000: being takes lifetimes, no?
Vishal:
as souls we are all bros
Freethinker40:
Dreams are the most effective
connectors between the interior and exterior universes.
MoMolly2:
i agree visha;
Vishal:
thru this true awareness we can tune
into the divine
Cuddleman1:
One has experience that divine
presence anytime
Magycian:
We knew that Vish
Cuddleman1:
if they are ready
BLURP
223: these perishable bodies need perfect
alignment though, alot of care, which helps the path
RBCF
3000: Ok, friends-- I'm going to continue
the example from "Contact"
RBCF
3000: (either the book or the movie,
although the emotional and spiritual
RBCF
3000: issues are clearer in the
film).................
Vishal:
magy,there is a world of difference
betwen knowing it and experiencing it
Magycian:
Yogi Salugud says we have blessings here
Vish
RBCF
3000: (please hold comments/questions for
a couple of minutes while I roll
RBCF
3000: out the lesson)
..............................................
Vishal:
magy,its now time to see how the
supreme magician changes ordinary human
Vishal:
beings into an angels
Cuddleman1:
Vishal, that is my experience too
Magycian:
If you join my Stop the War club you can
earn great blessings
Magycian:
If we save even one life we will get
many blessings
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RBCF
3000: The next great metaphor in the
movie is the way that the message
RBCF
3000: is received. The first image that
appears in the transmission is Adolf
RBCF
3000: Hitler (opening the 1936 Olympic
games), a great depiction of the
RBCF
3000: darkness that comes up for healing
when we enter into the silence
RBCF
3000: inside of us, before we can unravel
what the real message is.
RBCF
3000: In the story, there are two halves
of the transmission, but the
RBCF
3000: second half is initially assumed to
be noise until the blind
RBCF
3000: astronomer has listened to it
closely enough to hear the subtle
RBCF
3000: structure within it.
RBCF
3000: Then it is revealed to be the real
message, but not the final
RBCF
3000: message, for it contains
instructions on how to construct an
RBCF
3000: instrument that can bring someone
into position for direct
RBCF
3000: communication by the star beings.
RBCF
3000: If we look at this the right way,
we can see that this is probably
RBCF
3000: the origin of most religions, and
the content of most mythologies.
RBCF
3000: Someone receives instructions,
usually through some sort of
RBCF
3000: mystical experience, on how to
build an ark or a wooden horse or
RBCF
3000: wings to fly with, and there will
always be major tests of courage
RBCF
3000: and, almost always, a major
transformation on the part of the
RBCF
3000: receiver.
RBCF
3000: This can take the appearance of a
great flood, or a quest through
RBCF
3000: the underworld, or monsters that
eat you if your wings don't hold
RBCF
3000: up. Very often the hero dies and is resurrected because of the
RBCF 3000:
favor of the gods, or because of the love
of the princess, etc.
RBCF
3000: In "Contact", the heroine
has to drop into the vortex of the
RBCF
3000: complete Unknown, because the
instructions never said what would
RBCF
3000: actually happen there.
RBCF
3000: Ellie drops into a set of
improbabilities in time and space, and goes
RBCF
3000: through distortions and
transformations.
RBCF
3000: At the end of the line, she is made
to dream, and in her dream she
RBCF
3000: meets with an apparition of her
father, who explains the vastness
RBCF
3000: of the universe, and what is
possible for Ellie and her race of beings-
RBCF
3000: - the humans.
RBCF
3000: In religion, the faithful mortal
goes through tests and mystical
RBCF
3000: experiences before dying, and in
the process they meet whatever
RBCF
3000: Being is the source of what they
actually are, and what they aspire
RBCF
3000: to be, and then they are sent back
to work on the earth, to teach
RBCF
3000: the others to dream and thereby to
awaken.
RBCF
3000: ********** Ok, we can discuss the
ideas in this example. How
RBCF
3000: does this relate to your own
search?
Vishal:
3000,only those that are lawfull and
lovefull can help others
BLURP
223: she relayed what she expereienced to others who must take it on FAITH, the
GOTCHA
Magycian:
Yeah Vish just make a conscious exit
from the body right???
LucidDreamweaver:
I totally understand that RBCF ...I
can relate to this on a very intimate level
Planetshpr:
One of the things that amused me in
the film, 3K, is that there is NO DOUBT of the experienc
Planetshpr:
e Ellie has.
RBCF
3000: BLURP, that's actually going to be
my next point.
RBCF
Arwen: Vishal..please turn on oyur
IMs or allow me to IM oyu
Vishal:
magy,yes,thru one powerfull thought
Planetshpr:
SHE DOES NOT DOUBT IT.
Planetshpr:
The rest of us? LOL!
Magycian:
Well make sure its your time and its
approved Vish
Planetshpr:
(am I going NUTS, or what????)
Magycian:
Of course you would
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, and yet, a psychopath
does not doubt his "voices"
RBCF
3000: either, right? What about Koresh or Applewhite?
Planetshpr:
interesting point, 3K. So, by considering the possibility that I AM
nuts, I prove I am sane
Planetshpr:
?
Planetshpr:
I can go with that.
BLURP
223: my search is all about doing it all
myself, no machine, no help except others on the path
Magycian:
Thus...
Planetshpr:
(or maybe that we are ALL insane
together... a point I contemplate quite a bit)
Magycian:
A rose by any other name is still a rose
Vishal:
arwen,why not share your welath here ?
Rock
isme: not hardly Planet...possibilitiy
does not equal evidence of same
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, actually, it's a
catch-22, right? I like don Juan's
RBCF
3000: definition of 'sanity': to hold stability in the "tonal"
and to hold
RBCF
3000: fluidity in the 'nagual'
Vishal:
magy,some roses are less fragrent
BLURP
223: ellie in contact only got a wordly
view, not a spiritual view, my opinion, no extacy for her
Magycian:
Yes I want my lady to have a very
fragrant rose, LOL
Freethinker40:
I take all this for granted...i was
born into a state of Iiiumination.
RBCF
3000: BLURP, that's my point-- the
machine is just a metaphor for the
RBCF
3000: "machine" that exists
inside of us-- some kind of instrument and
RBCF
3000: mechanism we have for receiving
transmissions, no?
Diffiefan7:
hi all
BLURP
223: interesting point, well taken {Deep
Bow of understanding} thank you
Magycian:
or do I have to give her up Vish?
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, amazing! And here you
are, on AOL
Planetshpr:
LOL!
LucidDreamweaver:
LOL
Vishal:
magy,consider the youndg lady your
divine sistr
Freethinker40:
its not funny to me
Magycian:
Thank you for your blessing Vishal...
Vishal:
magy,is it poss?
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, I was just teasing
you. What is your state of
RBCF
3000: consciousness like then?
ANA
ooo: {{TREES}}
ANA
ooo: hiya
Magycian:
Huh Vish?
LucidDreamweaver:
Im sorry for laughing
Freethinker40:
Y ou want to treat this as some game of
the consciousness
Rock
isme: sorry Free...no of us are born with
wisdom...age and time is how this ia aquired
Magycian:
Im not telling who it is Vish...
Vishal:
magy,is it poss to consider the young
lady your sistr for the rest of this birth?
BLURP
223: the transmission message to me is
that this outer world is an illusion, inside is the messag
BLURP
223: e
Magycian:
Oh yes Vish very much so...
Vishal:
blurp,our inside is now full of
impurity
Freethinker40:
looking out when you need to look in
Vishal:
blurp,our souls are now covered with
alloy of sin
BLURP
223: many of us, were born with great
wisdom, then lose it in time
Rock
isme: looking in from the outside maybe
Freethinker40:
yes.....Blurp
BLURP
223: then to purify and uncover is what
is to be done, the message is inside, hidden, buried
Vishal:
blurp,yes,by becoming influenced of
evil spirits we become bankrupt
INDIGO8999:
(((( SNO))) LONG TIME, NO SEE
Magycian:
bankrupt of spirit
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, actually, I can
relate. I myself have gotten rather
RBCF
3000: cranky and thin-skinned as the
onslaught of illumination approaches.
Magycian:
My wallet is dead
Vishal:
magy,people of the whole world are now
poor
Freethinker40:
Thanks....3000
Planetshpr:
(what does that mean, 3K? "onslaught of illumination"?
Magycian:
I'll soon be begging on the streets of
London, LOL
Rock
isme: nonsense Blurp...takes half a
lifetime just to remember who we once were
INDIGO8999:
Rock, hows my baby Rocky
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, if you sit here all
year, you'll see why I call it an
RBCF
3000: "onslaught"
Vishal:
magy,why beg when u know u can claim
Magycian:
I noticed that lessening of compassion
3000
BLURP
223: for you perhaps, i used to see it
quite often, wish i could share it
Planetshpr:
oh.
gotcha.
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Magycian:
Im teasing Vish, Im very happy
Rock
isme: the baby is sleeping with all 4
legs stretched out Indigo
Magycian:
Im in extacy in fact...
Vishal:
magy,its good to be happy
Vishal:
: )
Magycian:
I am so happy...
RBCF
3000: Magycian, my problem is that I am a
telepathic empath, and I try
RBCF
3000: to protect myself, even when I wish
to be open.
Magycian:
Well you havent been that nice to me,
LOL
LucidDreamweaver:
How do you do that 3000?
Planetshpr:
protect yourself from pain, 3K? embrace it.
it will take you to ecstasy.
Vishal:
3000,why labour like this?
Planetshpr:
<grin>
Magycian:
You want lessons on casting a magic
circle 3000, LOL
RBCF
3000: Would anyone like to take a stab at
why I call the approach of
RBCF
3000: illumination an
"onslaught"?
Vishal:
3000,take shelter under the protective
canopy of our holiest father
BLURP
223: 3000, boy can i relate there, good
luck, the rewards are so good when it works, though
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, totally!
Rock
isme: easy...put confusion in your mind
and no one can read you
RBCF
3000: Vishal, you got that right!
Magycian:
Cause its going to come quickly when it
gets here 3000
Planetshpr:
3K, many come, who believe they are
enlightened.
Planetshpr:
"If you see the Buddha by the
road....
Vishal:
3000,there are as many opinions as
there are mouths,but one truth only
Planetshpr:
Kill him."
LucidDreamweaver:
Because it comes to you when you
least expect it?....3000
RBCF
3000: Magycian, not only Quick, but
demanding huge change of being on
RBCF
3000: our part-- really dropping
illusion, right?
Magycian:
unless youre ready 3000
Magycian:
to recognize the "ground
luminosity"
Freethinker40:
When you see,you see..
LucidDreamweaver:
Jesus said I shall come like a theif
in the night
RBCF
3000: LucidDreamweaver, right-- all our
expectation is in ego, and ego
RBCF
3000: dies (more than once, it turns
out!) with the onslaught of the vast
RBCF
3000: Brilliance.
Planetshpr:
3K, consider that your last point of
view suggests that "Illumination" is something being
Vishal:
planet,even buddha wasnt complete
Planetshpr:
done TO us.
Planetshpr:
I submit we are BRINGING it.
Magycian:
The Angel of Death comes...you move to
the Astral Plane
Rock
isme: deep human survival instinct to
kill the opposition
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, I consider that
I-as-High-Self does it to me-as-
RBCF
3000: personality-self, see?
Vishal:
3k,illuminaton is the rewrd of our
unadulterated love for GOD .
Magycian:
His name is Andrew and he's on Touched
by an Angel,LOL
BLURP
223: please
LucidDreamweaver:
Amen Vishal
Planetshpr:
absolutely, 3K. and at the end of the day, it's done.
RBCF
3000: Vishal, exactly right! How do we get to such a pure love?
Magycian:
May we only reach enlightenment before
death...
Vishal:
3k,thru unlimited renounciation
Alisnntrnt:
Planet, maybe it is being done for
us, not to us
Planetshpr:
(lower-case-self may have a point of
view, no doubt! LOL!)
Planetshpr:
Not my observation Alisn...
Planetshpr:
my observation, over 48 years, is
that we have called it into the space.
M
Natural 1: greetings
Alisnntrnt:
anything is possible Planet
Wingsoligh:
I did not Understand What the hell you were saying
Magycian:
Hey thats a secret word 3000 you cant
say that
Planetshpr:
What I love about that, Alisn, is
this class could not have taken place when I was 18, or 28
Planetshpr:
or 38.
Planetshpr:
Society was not ready to permit it.
Vishal:
3k,is it possible to have unlimited
renounciation?
RBCF
3000: Ok, friends, I just have one more
comment about "Contact", and
RBCF
3000: then we'll go on to "The Outer
Limits"
RBCF
3000: In "Contact," Ellie is
sent back with not a shred of observable
RBCF
3000: evidence for her vision, except 18
hours of static on her recorder.
RBCF
3000: This is more than many martyrs and
saints have to work with. They
RBCF
3000: didn't emphasize this in the movie,
but everyone has to undertake
RBCF
3000: the journey if they are going to
see and understand what is being
RBCF
3000: presented to them.
RBCF
3000: That is, they have to undergo
"martyrdom," they must pass through
RBCF
3000: some sort of death-like
transformation, back from which they may
RBCF
3000: never return.
RBCF
3000: ******* So, we already started to
talk about faith in this regard.
RBCF
3000: Why "martyrdom"?
Vishal:
self realisation comes to those who
die a living death
Magycian:
Well its death really isnt i
Magycian:
t
REISHISAGE:
Hiya
Rock
isme: near death experience can go either
way 3000
RBCF
3000: Vishal, can we make ourselves die
that death?
Vishal:
yes
Wingsoligh:
Ok what about WHAT what dreams may
come
RBCF
3000: Rock isme, do you suppose because
it is not controlled enough in
Vishal:
by bidding farewell to this old world
RBCF
3000: that form?
Magycian:
Death is the release for all it doesnt
guarantee where you are going
Wingsoligh:
or Ghost
Vishal:
its old ways
Magycian:
You could be up or down
Vishal:
and old habits
Wingsoligh:
Ghost dealt With a verry spiritual aspect
Grazhopprr:
or sideways, or crossways
Grazhopprr:
or in or out
Magycian:
The important thing is to escape the
cycle of birth and death and achieve liberations
Vishal:
magy,no
RBCF
3000: Magycian, by Death, I hope you know
I am not referring to the
RBCF
3000: ordinary crumbling of the physical
body, in which our hearts and
Rock
isme: have a feeling what you expect to
see in death is what you will see
RBCF
3000: minds have long ago deteriorated,
right?
Vishal:
magy the goal should be of liberation
-in life
Freethinker40:
There is no one point of illumination,
no single point of seeing, your entity is aware of al
Magycian:
Well the sooner the better Vish of
course
Freethinker40:
Death is birth
Magycian:
You talking death in the Astral then
3000
Planetshpr:
Interesting point, Vish... the old religions all worked to get us off
the wheel... that was
Planetshpr:
the goal.
Vishal:
3000,we die a living death by
renouncing body consciouness and bodily relations
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, many entree's, right?
But methinks I come back to one
RBCF
3000: single point, at Source, no?
Planetshpr:
the new ones have a different goal.
Rock
isme: the last obligation of the dying
brain is to comfort the body in transition
RBCF
3000: Magycian, no-- I'm really talking
about the death of false-
RBCF
3000: personality, see?
Grazhopprr:
it all boils down to, you can't take
it with you
Freethinker40:
yes ....3000
Magycian:
Well there are different schools of
thoght 3000
Planetshpr:
Ego death.
Wingsoligh:
i dont evin know what eccastic means
Vishal:
planet,its all about claiming our
birthright inheritance of happiness
REISHISAGE:
well....i freely admit that though
quite lucid and vishual i am a bitsty lost in this tpic
Vishal:
from the bestower
Rock
isme: there fore what you need is what
you get
Magycian:
Well mine died long ago so no wonder I
wasnt following
Planetshpr:
absolutely in agreement with you
Vishal.
RBCF
3000: Rock isme, that's true of ordinary,
physical death, I believe, where
REISHISAGE:
what is it
RBCF
3000: the brain floods the body with
endorphans, right?
Wingsoligh:
What about ghost Ghost had a
spiritual theme
Grazhopprr:
who says your personality dies?
Vishal:
planet,all souls experience peace when
they are naked
Planetshpr:
Wings, honey... we're following a
structured outline... I am sure we will get to those films
Grazhopprr:
you are there, what you are here
Freethinker40:
it dont.....Graz
Magycian:
Yeah what are we talking about like
Reishi said
RBCF
3000: ........ But through these methods,
we can flood with endorphans
RBCF
3000: and anandanines in a healthy body,
and still let the personality die
RBCF
3000: and reawaken anew.
Rock
isme: haven't been there 3000...can't say
for sure
Vishal:
planet,but happiness is the fruit of
our current spiritual efforts
Magycian:
So you're still alive here 3000?
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, personality death is a
principal of many transformational
RBCF
3000: paradigms, right?
Grazhopprr:
who you are now, is who you will be
when you leave
REISHISAGE:
end of days has somewhat a spiritual
theme as did the beginning of days
Planetshpr:
happiness ? I'm not sure about happiness, Vishal.. It isn't a motivator for me anymore.
RBCF
3000: Magycian, I am here-- don't know
about "still"..
Magycian:
So we cant improve Graz, between now and
then
Planetshpr:
like pain, "happiness" is
a judgment, in my experience.
STILL
JAMIEL: I am here too 3000.
Magycian:
Well you must be alive like us then 3000
Grazhopprr:
mag, up to us, we are what we are
when we leave, at that point of departure
Wingsoligh:
Hi chester
Magycian:
You going to make a conscious exit 3000?
Magycian:
I will pay you...LOL
Vishal:
planet,by having a goal of inheriting
happiness,we progress faster
REISHISAGE:
the shining was good example of the
ego mind meeting the zen mind of nothingness vs a woman
REISHISAGE:
and chidl mind
Vishal:
on this journey of ours
Selph2000:
happiness is always a state
of"being"
RBCF
3000: Magycian, yes-- I will undertake
mahasamadhi.
Freethinker40:
We have many selves i do believe.....?
Planetshpr:
I'll have to disagree, respectfully,
on that one, Vishal...
Vishal:
magy,u just cant make an exit like
that
Planetshpr:
my experience says otherwise.
RBCF
3000: Ok, great comments, friends. Now
I'll continue on to a similar set of
RBCF
3000: metaphors in "The Outer
Limits" ..................................
Planetshpr:
for me.
Vishal:
magy,u need the magic of grac
Chesster67:
what is the state of nothingness?
Wingsoligh:
Ok 3rd Time what about The movie
ghost?
Log
Count: There were 25 member(s) in The New
Age at 08:30 PM
Magycian:
How do you know 3000 what if you botch
it up???
Vishal:
magiy,plus u need the fuel of purity
RBCF
3000: (please hold comments and questions
for a minute again)
RBCF
3000: There are a series of episodes of
The Outer Limits in which a
RBCF
3000: scientist who is dying drinks an
enzyme which stimulates activation
JLook91968:
so the system isn't perfect, we're
grownups, right?
RBCF
3000: of dormant strands of the DNA.
RBCF
3000: Not only is his illness healed, but
he starts receiving instructions
RBCF
3000: about gathering eight students
"without blemish" and also without
RBCF
3000: relationships or attachments that
would hold them back, to go with
RBCF
3000: him, and where he is to go is
indicated by a map that grows on his
RBCF
3000: back. Also, a geometric shape
assembles itself in the palm of his
RBCF
3000: hand.
RBCF
3000: The place where the map shows them
to go is guarded by a military
RBCF
3000: outfit who have discovered an
unexplainable, and obviously highly
RBCF
3000: advanced, object embedded in
60,000,000-year-old strata of rock.
RBCF
3000: The object is impervious to any
attempt that the guards make to
RBCF
3000: examine it or open it, but the
shape on the scientist's hand
RBCF
3000: matches a symbol on the object and,
when pressed together,
RBCF
3000: opens a hatch in what proves to be
a space ship.
RBCF 3000:
It turns out that the ship was left there
to test the proper
RBCF
3000: evolution of the sentient life
form, and thereupon to repopulate the
RBCF
3000: world at a time when humanity has
destroyed itself and most of the
RBCF
3000: other life on earth.
RBCF
3000: Naturally, most of the students
lose faith in the scientist and in the
RBCF
3000: builders of the ship, and attempt
to mutiny, but find out that none
RBCF
3000: of that mattered, because it was
only their very presence that was
RBCF
3000: needed, at least until they got
where they were going. Then they
RBCF
3000: realized that they were indeed to
be the foundation of civilization--
RBCF
3000: they themselves.
RBCF
3000: Again, this is a wondeful set of
metaphors for entering the Mystery.
RBCF
3000: A mysterious object, simultaneously
ancient and yet very
RBCF
3000: advanced, is found embedded in a
natural formation.
RBCF
3000: This is what Moses found on Mount
Sinai; it is what the founders of
RBCF
3000: the primordial Egyptian, Celtic,
Mayan and Tibetan religions found,
RBCF
3000: and it is what
"primitive" shamans find in their jungles and deserts.
RBCF
3000: ******* Ok, now let's talk. What does this story tell you?
Magycian:
Im sorry to say I didnt like that one
the best
REISHISAGE:
dormant strands reside in all humans
, this scientist must have been in isolation tank all
REISHISAGE:
his life
REISHISAGE:
if it keep on raining the levey
going to break.....when the levey breaks hav no place 2stay
REISHISAGE:
that what it tells me
RBCF
WhiteRose: I think it says that life
comes full circle
Magycian:
Do we have any evidence of this 3000?
Vishal:
3k,it tells us that this world is now
to be demolished
Shiftgood1:
I must sayu the most unequiocal
phenonina (mystics) in film today is Artificial Life
Magycian:
There is no material evidence...
Shiftgood1:
Artificial LIfe has no empirical
praradigm
Vishal:
3k,it tells us that scientists have
made bombs for our own destruction
Planetshpr:
Challenging example, 3k... that there IS a path, and those that have
gone before, have a plan.
RBCF
3000: Magycian, we have all these
civilizations that have been drowned
Shiftgood1:
and ALife mimics all of the
functions of ;life
RBCF
3000: and buried under sands and rubble,
we have a planet blown up into
RBCF
3000: asteroids between Mars and
Jupiter...
Vishal:
3k,it tells us that we cannot attain
perfection thru science
Magycian:
The future is not in material existence,
it tells me
Freethinker40:
Mean old lady taught me to weep and
moan.....REISH
JLook91968:
perhaps, it was a singular
revelation for one guy
Magycian:
Which ones are those?
JLook91968:
tailor made for him
Magycian:
Atlantis has not been found last I heard
Vishal:
3k,it tells us that each one of us is
unique
RBCF
3000: Vishal, right-- but I do see the
ideas of science as great metaphors
RBCF
3000: for our spiritual path, do you?
Magycian:
and what if it was its only proof of
material existence
REISHISAGE:
and edgar cayce is just scratching
to get out last i heard
Vishal:
3k,it tells us that we are now orphans
RBCF
3000: Vishal, if we are unique, I don't
see how it could be in any usual
RBCF
3000: way that we think of it.
Planetshpr:
Reishi, he got it right on the
chamber beneath the Sphynx.
Magycian:
He's in the coffin Reishi
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, it's a couple of
episodes of "The Outer Limits"
Magycian:
If all good beings achieve liberation
who does it leave here?
Magycian:
Were a bunch of thugs
MetaTheMagi:
but lovable thugs
Shiftgood1:
Vishal...I admire your guts and
non-wishy-washy attitude about what you have found triue
Vishal:
3k,it tells us that as long as we have
our bodies we are under its limitations
REISHISAGE:
yes we luv our cuddley lilselves so
mucho
Vishal:
shift,its now our chance to shift the
clouds of confusion and let the rays of the sun of kno
Vishal:
shine thru
RBCF
3000: With such objects-- often plants
having certain properties-- the
RBCF
3000: priests and shamans find a map that
is embedded right in the
RBCF
3000: encodings of life itself, in the
very nature of humanity. So here,
RBCF
3000: instead of being a transmission
from outer space, the map was left
RBCF
3000: in what we are made up of. This
gives a whole new perspective to
RBCF
3000: spiritual practices, as far as I am
concerned.
RBCF
3000: The idea of replanting the holy
doctrines is a very common thread
RBCF
3000: in both religion and mythology. It
is accomplished by gathering
RBCF
3000: together a certain number and
certain types of people "without
RBCF
3000: blemish"-- without sin or
attachment to the hooks of ordinary life,
RBCF
3000: which is usually described as
sleep.
RBCF
3000: It seems to be a necessary ingredient
that the apostles are tested,
RBCF
3000: and lose faith until the master
reappears after having "died."
RBCF
3000: I find it amusing that, just as in
mythology, these students must
RBCF
3000: pass the challenge of the
"guardians at the gate" in order to gain
RBCF
3000: entry to the Mystery. We find very
much the same ideas in the
RBCF
3000: search for the holy Grail as well
as for the treasures of mythology.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Now it would be fair to ask what
the point of all this is for us,
RBCF
3000: personally. I ask you, why do you
suppose that virtually the same
RBCF
3000: story has come down to us, all over
the world and for millennia?
RBCF
3000: In my generation, we used to think
that science would uncover the
RBCF
3000: mysteries of life and the universe;
instead, science has tangled
RBCF
3000: itself up deeper and deeper into
tangled strings and quarks and
RBCF
3000: strangenesses, so that they can no
longer explain why an apple
RBCF
3000: appears to fall, nor even how
anything can exist. In my "humble"
RBCF
3000: opinion, of course!
REISHISAGE:
u use dial Magy?
RBCF
3000: ******* Ok, let's talk about these
issues and ideas now.
Magycian:
We receive spiritual energies through
the night in our sleep
Vishal:
3k,its now time to incinerate the
burden of sins that are on our souls
MetaTheMagi:
the roads are many but the gate is
narrow
MetaTheMagi:
I guess
Magycian:
Dont go to bed without clearing your
soul
Vishal:
magy,yet people of this old world just
cant stop using the sword of lust on each other
Vishal:
each night
Planetshpr:
Many more imagine themselves
prepared, than are actually ready.
Magycian:
Well thats true Vishal the fall from
Grace
REISHISAGE:
reading scriptures in shower is good
but require waterpoof pages
Shiftgood1:
Well, it is encouraging to see Visal
give credit to what even Tipler calleed the Physiccs of
Shiftgood1:
god
Vishal:
3k,there is one power that is higher
than sceince
Magycian:
You a Bodhissattva or Avatar Vish or
just cleaning up your act...
MetaTheMagi:
3K, humn nature is such that this
story or process is the one to use
RBCF
3000: Vishal, yes, thanks-- we already
know.
Log
Count: There were 28 member(s) in The New
Age at 08:45 PM
MetaTheMagi:
it satisfies all the ingredients to
cause completeness
Shiftgood1:
And the reminders of this or that
only serve to appreciate all 3 (o4 4) levels of reality
REISHISAGE:
looks up in twees
Magycian:
Divine bro is nice I think
RBCF
3000: (Just so you know, in case these
examples are confusing, next
RBCF
3000: week we'll be talking about the
core ideas and paradigms of
RBCF
3000: Mystical Consciousness)
Vishal:
magic,to have a brotherly vision is
viceless
Magycian:
Divine Sis nice too Reishi
Shiftgood1:
RBCF....that sounds like a rellly
good one. thanks
Grazhopprr:
so, what is the end consensus
desired from this discussion? a
generalization of ascension?
Vishal:
magy,sistr vision tooo can somtimes be
changed by maya
Wingsoligh:
I said Ghpst was a great film of mistical conscousness
MetaTheMagi:
Ascension is where its at
REISHISAGE:
Graz is that what that was ?
JSchumm717:
Is this a class?
Planetshpr:
yes, JS.
Wingsoligh:
Ghost With patrick swasie and demi
moore
Magycian:
We should love unconditionally really,
love for the best for the person
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, I agree, although I
thought the issues were clearer in
RBCF
3000: "Always"-- did you like
that one?
JSchumm717:
How can i get info on it?
Wingsoligh:
It deal With spirituality
Shiftgood1:
You know, RBCF...there are laws that
say we should think (ie evolution) but none about law
Shiftgood1:
to have faith
Vishal:
graz,to ascend we need to establish in
a pure and a spiritual lifestyle
RBCF
3000: ... "Always" with Holly
Hunter, Richard Dreyfuss and Audrey Hepburn.
Yogi
Salguod: lol, you are right Grazz
FlowrNtheWind:
3000, great movie
RBCF
3000: Shiftgood, what kind of laws? Have
I been in violation?
Grazhopprr:
unfortunately, ascension can't be
generalized. there have been too many
types, angles,
Grazhopprr:
desires
ANA
ooo: 3000 GREAT movie!
REISHISAGE:
3000 he die on ice how does that
relate unles u thinky we come from block of ice age thrwbac
RBCF
3000: FlowrNtheWind, I saw it 4 times,
but it got panned by the critics, of
RBCF
3000: course.
MetaTheMagi:
attention requires forgiveness and
desire
MagicGspot:
always helped me to sleep better
Shiftgood1:
RBCF....not to my knowledge...I bet
you have fundamental believes and that is kosher enough
Shiftgood1:
but we need more like that
Vishal:
3k,why take the support of movies as
your teachers?
MetaTheMagi:
I mean ascension
RBCF
3000: MetaTheMagi, what else does it
require? What results from
RBCF
3000: ascension?
RBCF
3000: Vishal, helps to explain the ideas.
MetaTheMagi:
Ascension brings us to a higher
ability of consciousness
FlowrNtheWind:
3000, I cried
Alisnntrnt:
Vis, would you select your tachers?
MetaTheMagi:
so that these truths we ponder now are
realized so that even greater progress may take place
Grazhopprr:
ascension from this realm only leads
to another realm to ascende
Vishal:
3k,all movies are ideas burrowed from
this eternal world wheel predestined drama
MetaTheMagi:
the answer, in other words, to our
world is found in the next dimension
MetaTheMagi:
or the next state of mind
MetaTheMagi:
its all a state of mind, 3000
MetaTheMagi:
literally
MetaTheMagi:
perception defines this state
MetaTheMagi:
vision defines the next
MetaTheMagi:
awareness defines the next
WlksWithGreyEgle:
Vis, I don't think there's one movie
that is an orginal thought. Someone, somewhere else
MetaTheMagi:
and so on
WlksWithGreyEgle:
a;ready had that thought
MetaTheMagi:
until there is only being
RBCF
3000: Ok, I have just one more example
that I'd like to give you before
RBCF
3000: we break up
...................................................
RBCF
3000: The dark side of these stories is
embodied in the various vampire
RBCF
3000: and ghost tales and, more recently,
in the "Friday the 13th" series
RBCF
3000: of movies, and such like "The
Matrix" (which unfortunately I haven't
RBCF
3000: yet seen) and "Event
Horizon" (which also unfortunately, I *have*
RBCF
3000: seen!) and "Sphere",
which I liked much better.
RBCF
3000: They rightfully portray what
happens to people *with* blemish,
RBCF
3000: with selfish motives, with fear,
and who have no inner discipline.
RBCF
3000: They are slaves of their murky
thoughts and whims, even if highly
RBCF
3000: educated and brilliant scientists.
RBCF
Arwen: That as many images as there
are..that's how
RBCF
Arwen: many thruth's there are...no
one;s any less or
RBCF
Arwen: more valid that another's..
Wingsoligh:
300 what dreams may come Anouther
mystical movie
Yogi
Salguod: lol 3000 I didn't like Sphere
much
REISHISAGE:
a movie needful things may relate in
a fashion of detachment from material things to
MetaTheMagi:
in order to acquire physical truth,
physicality needs to be seen as wholeness
MetaTheMagi:
this cannot be while in the physical
MetaTheMagi:
we are too close
MetaTheMagi:
so we must find a state of mind that
overshadows this plane
MetaTheMagi:
but also encompasses it
MetaTheMagi:
its like using the word to define the
word itself
StarBorn22:
we are talking about mysical aspects
of movies?
Vishal:
eagle,yes,all this movies are ideas
burrowed from this unlimited drama
RBCF
3000: (continuing
....................................................
RBCF
3000: Of these, let's look at
"Sphere." Anyone who enters the sphere
RBCF
3000: ("encounters the
supernatural") is given the (inadvertant) power of
RBCF
3000: creating reality on every whim,
even in dreams.
RBCF
3000: Our brilliant scientists come with
neurotic hang-ups galore, so they
RBCF
3000: keep creating realities that
destroy everything, because their
RBCF
3000: insides are at war with themselves.
At the end, they make it their
RBCF
3000: final command that they forget they
have this power, because the
RBCF
3000: human race is not ready.
RBCF
3000: (continuing, please hold comments
...............................
RBCF
3000: Actually, it is not the whole human
race that is not ready-- it is
RBCF
3000: each individual member of it. Therefore, it is the possibility, even
RBCF
3000: the birthright, of each human, to
remember the original power that
RBCF
3000: we were given, but which we pushed
into the deep Unconscious,
RBCF
3000: and locked it away until a time
when one is ready.
RBCF
3000: So I see us as having a two-fold
task: first, to remember that I
RBCF
3000: have this unlimited divine power
awaiting me; second, to purify
RBCF
3000: myself (making use of the
considerable help that we stored around
RBCF
3000: for ourselves, hidden in metaphor
and shadows; third, to awaken
RBCF
3000: enough to know the purpose and
outcome of each of my commands.
RBCF
3000: Indeed, in this place, every
gesture I make, every word that I
RBCF
3000: utter, and even every thought that
I think, is instantly the Law of
RBCF
3000: Creation.
RBCF
3000: To any ordinary person, this would
be so unbearable as to lead to
RBCF
3000: madness, violence and/or death (as
history as demonstrated so
RBCF
3000: terribly many times, even from a
brush with the supernatural); to
RBCF
3000: the sufficiently burnished, honed,
trimmed and healed, it is the
RBCF
3000: crown of Existence.
RBCF
3000: ********** Ok, those are the ideas
I wanted to present tonight--
RBCF
3000: let's hear from you now
MetaTheMagi:
it is not possible
WlksWithGreyEgle:
yes, or experiences which unfolded
MetaTheMagi:
3K, where does the inner adjuster
come in at?
MagicGspot:
vishal are you the deputy?
Yogi
Salguod: Hiya Reishi :))
MetaTheMagi:
but what to create is the question,
3K
Grazhopprr:
Warner Bros. has the hook on
ascension, eh? The Screen Writers Guild
must be a mystical
Grazhopprr:
coven
MetaTheMagi:
and what to create is what will cause
progress
Vishal:
3k,we become law makers of future by
following the divine laws now
MetaTheMagi:
there are laws 3K
MetaTheMagi:
all our supposing does not change the
laws
MagicGspot:
haha
MetaTheMagi:
we can go in a circle all day long
MetaTheMagi:
but why?
Vishal:
the divine law to follow currently is
that we remain viceless
FlowrNtheWind:
3000, personally I think is would drive
me insane
Grazhopprr:
they are only ideas, we won't know
till we get there.
LucidDreamweaver:
Thank you
Vishal:
egoless
Vishal:
and bodiless
Yogi
Salguod: good thoughts
LucidDreamweaver:
Hello Lucid
MagicGspot:
and lushless
MetaTheMagi:
vishal an effect is viceless, the
cause must be changed first before
viceless can be truely
MetaTheMagi:
altered
MagicGspot:
lustless i mean
Vishal:
magic,viceless = free of lust
RBCF
3000: FlowrNtheWind, that is what
happens, isn't it? It's sometimes
RBCF
3000: called "Jerusalem
Syndrome" -- contact with something sacred and
RBCF
3000: powerful drives people mad.
Planetshpr:
3K, excellent analysis ... Campbell would have been proud!
MetaTheMagi:
if you do not change the cause then
the effect will be there, just under a different name
MetaTheMagi:
or form
MagicGspot:
well vishal i guess im gettin
50-life
MetaTheMagi:
lust will become brotherly love
MetaTheMagi:
vice will become serving humanity
RBCF
3000: ... I believe the secret, as don
Juan puts it, is to control our
RBCF
3000: madness, dole it out consciously.
FlowrNtheWind:
3000, I think what would drive me insane
would be the fear of things I would think
MetaTheMagi:
you like that G?
MetaTheMagi:
hehe
MagicGspot:
oh yeah well said
Yogi
Salguod: and it there is not such
thing as holy and not? what then?
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, thanks, I guess. (I've
always found Campbell a bit flat)
Yogi
Salguod: if
Vishal:
magic,this whole ironaged world is now
in its retirement age
MetaTheMagi:
there is such a thing as holy, but it
is not of this world
Vishal:
flower,be strong
RBCF
3000: FlowrNtheWind, yes, unless you got
your mind really really really
RBCF
3000: Silent, right?
MetaTheMagi:
the very existence of this world
precludes the word holy
MetaTheMagi:
until the cause of this world is
changed nothing will be holy
FlowrNtheWind:
3000, one would think
Yogi
Salguod: lol, what happens when what
some are preaching is not reality? what then?
Vishal:
meta,this world is now a brothel
RBCF
3000: MetaTheMagi, I see our task as to
make our perception of the
RBCF
3000: world holy, then the world becomes
sacred.
MetaTheMagi:
this world is an effect, just like
Vishals lust
MetaTheMagi:
yes 3K
MetaTheMagi:
that is the first step
FlowrNtheWind:
#3000 regaudless of the good i could
think it wouldnt take much to destroy it
MetaTheMagi:
you must change perception to change
cause
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MetaTheMagi:
and this can only be done thru
forgiveness
RBCF
3000: FlowrNtheWind, it also helps to
"develop" humility-- but we can't
RBCF
3000: develop humility for ourselves--
ego has to be completely flattened
RBCF
3000: in order for the rest of our self
to meet the inconceivable.
Yogi
Salguod: and if perceptions are just
polarities of thought, what is real?
MetaTheMagi:
right 3K
Vishal:
meta,our criminal eyes change to civil
eyes when we establish in soulconsciouness
Yogi
Salguod: lol, and who is wrong?
MetaTheMagi:
ego upholds the effects because it is
the cause of this world
Grazhopprr:
"change" validates the
needed change. instead, create a new
perception to supercede the old
FlowrNtheWind:
3000, to be honest I wouldn'y want that
responsiblity
SoundDsgn:
only the cause as we know it this momnet
meta!
RBCF
3000: FlowrNtheWind, it is fragile and
precious, and yet also more
RBCF 3000:
powerful than anything!
MetaTheMagi:
Yogi, transcend right and wrong by
changing the cause of the duality
MagicGspot:
brb
RBCF
3000: FlowrNtheWind, I sure do! I must and insist on being the Source of
RBCF
3000: my universe!
Blue
woofs: a civil home life leads to a
civil neighborhood which leads to a civil community....ect. ect
Yogi
Salguod: lol Meta duality is an
illusion
MetaTheMagi:
not if you believe it Yogi
MetaTheMagi:
and you do believe it Yogi
Yogi
Salguod: only perceptions of thought
MetaTheMagi:
so you have to do it the hard way
MetaTheMagi:
intellectually you dont' believ it
Yogi
SoundDsgn:
effected you meta!
Vishal:
blue,istead what u find today is
nothing but adultory
Yogi
Salguod: it is true
MetaTheMagi:
but totally it is very real for you
FlowrNtheWind:
3000, responsiblity for myself is one
thing but for humanity no way
Yogi
Salguod: lol, I need not believe
anything
Blue
woofs: hehe...good one Vishal
RBCF
3000: OK, friends, let's go to free
chat. Anybody who'd like the logues or
MetaTheMagi:
but you do Yogi
RBCF
3000: the newsletter, please email
me. Great discussion-- thanks
MetaTheMagi:
Yogi,you are here with us
MetaTheMagi:
you cannot deny that
Yogi
Salguod: no we argue over illusions
FlowrNtheWind:
I feel people need to see it for
themselves in their own time and not be forced
RBCF
3000: Nierika, we just finished a class
Kirstenese:
Thank you 3000
MetaTheMagi:
Yogi, you are here, with the rest of
us illusions
Yogi
Salguod: just our own perceptions of
truth
MetaTheMagi:
how can you deny you believe it?
RBCF
3000: :::::::::: bows humbly ::::::::::
Planetshpr:
Thank you, 3000.
Freethinker40:
Holyness is an illusion...for preachers
and the such.
Vishal:
flower,time is running out
MetaTheMagi:
denial is your fate Yogi, transcend
that
Yogi
Salguod: "belief" is the
whole problem
MetaTheMagi:
agreed Yogi, but just saying it is
not real will not make it go away
Yogi
Salguod: you all say
"believe"
Vishal:
free,holiness is a divine qulaity