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RBCF
Arwen: Welcome! Tonight we discuss
Ecstatic Awareness.
RBCF
Arwen: This means entering into
states of consciousness,
RBCF
3000: Hi, I'm back-- really hard to get a
connection tonight.
RBCF
Arwen: accompanied by transformation
of being, in which
RBCF
Arwen: the supernatural and the
Miraculous can be
RBCF
Arwen: witnessed, including the
realms of Divinity. In this
RBCF
Arwen: context, the word
"ecstatic," refers to the mystical
RBCF
Arwen: usage referring to *outside
of* all normal states of
RBCF
Arwen: perception or awareness
REISHISAGE:
we gonna be transformed again oh joy
NightPath:
3K> Story of my life
RBCF
3000: By the word "ecstatic," I
am not speaking of the common
RBCF
3000: vernacular for "very
happy" but, rather, the mystical usage
RBCF
3000: referring to *outside of* all
normal states of perception or
RBCF
3000: awareness, sometimes known at
"second attention", "silent
RBCF
3000: knowledge",
"self-remembering" or "seeing."
RBCF
3000: Ok, one moment, and then we're off
& running...
REISHISAGE:
participation required i presuming
RBCF
3000: Ok, please hold comments/questions
for a minute ..........
RBCF
Arwen: Yes, this class is semi protocol.
RBCF
3000: It would be hard not to notice the
resurgence of mysticism in
RBCF
3000: many of the traditional religions:
Kabbalah and the Chasidic
RBCF
3000: movement in Judaism; the
popularization of Sufi practices,
RBCF
3000: which come from mystical Islam;
Pentacostalism in
RBCF
3000: Christianity; the spread of
Hinduism as ecstatic, living
RBCF
3000: practices; an intensification of
Buddhist practices; and a
RBCF
3000: great interest in pagan and
shamanic religions.
RBCF
3000: Genuine Zen and Tantra have always
been avenues for
RBCF
3000: mystical experience; I make the
stipulation because many
RBCF
3000: modern forms of these traditions
have become watered down
RBCF
3000: and distorted to make them
attractive to people with short
RBCF
3000: attention spans.
RBCF
3000: To these old ways have been added
"inventions" of the past
RBCF
3000: century-- spirit-channeling, the
Avatar method, est/Forum
RBCF
3000: seminars, Silva Mind Control,
schools of the Fourth Way,
RBCF
3000: Neuro-Linguistic Programming, and
numerous techniques
RBCF
3000: based on self-hypnosis, as well as
religions based on
RBCF
3000: affirmations and spiritual healing.
RBCF
3000: ******* Have any of you encountered
these methods? What
RBCF
3000: do you think of them?
TESLA21058:
I've done some NLP with my small
child 3000. It helped a great deal
Alisnntrnt:
I thought NLP came from mysticism 3K
RBCF
3000: TESLA, did you learn specific
techniques for kids, or did you
RBCF
3000: take a whole course?
Treeswayen:
NLP comes from the hypnotherapy of
Milton Erickson
RBCF
3000: Alisnntrnt, it mostly came from
psychology and
RBCF
3000: communications studies.
RBCF
3000: Treeswayen, at first it did, yes.
Alisnntrnt:
that is what it turned into, so i
was told
TESLA21058:
the whole course , 3000..and then I
modified it due to
TESLA21058:
his age. I worked on him through me.
Same with Soul
TESLA21058:
recovery and universal symbols
taught by DawnE. Clark
TESLA21058:
yes Trees
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REISHISAGE:
and now anthony robins is leading
selling NLP personage
RBCF
3000: Welcome, those who just came into
the room. Tonight is a
RBCF
3000: semi-protocol class on mystical
awareness, so we discuss
RBCF
3000: between ideas. Right now open for
comments & questions.
REISHISAGE:
3000 what is NLP to you?
REISHISAGE:
compaired to silva
RBCF
3000: Alisnntrnt, mostly it is used for
sales and psychology these
RBCF
3000: days, as far as I know.
TESLA21058:
NeuroLinguisticProgramming
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, I took it for
self-knowledge, then became
RBCF
3000: psychic with it-- learned to design
states of consciousness
RBCF
3000: for myself, and for others too.
Alisnntrnt:
what about the rumors that it was
used for brainwashing 3K?
TESLA21058:
exactly 3000
AutumnPath3:
I do something strange I have never
heard of or experinced before.
James7289:
It's just a form of conditioning...not
really mystical at all.
REISHISAGE:
3000 i never took it must not be
psychic :<
Treeswayen:
you can't really use it for
brainwashing.. that requires a reduction in resistance.. diet
Treeswayen:
alterations
AutumnPath3:
Lately I can massage my partner in
places I have discomfort and feel the massage as if it
Treeswayen:
protein depletion
AutumnPath3:
were being done to me
RBCF
3000: Alisnntrnt, NLP is a collection of
techniques. Some of these
RBCF
3000: techniques are used by others out
of integrity, but NLP itself
RBCF
3000: teaches respect and integrity.
Alisnntrnt:
yes
RBCF
3000: AutumnPath, that's really intimate
when that happens, isn't
RBCF
3000: it?
AutumnPath3:
Well I never thought of it that way
RBCF
3000: Ok, I'm going to continue tonight's
lesson now, so please hold
RBCF
3000: comments for a
minute...................
RBCF
3000: Ok, continuing..........
RBCF
Arwen: them too
RBCF
3000: Side-stepping whatever all their
beliefs may be, these
RBCF
3000: practices all share in common the
purpose of achieving real,
RBCF
3000: personal, unmistakable experience
of our hidden
RBCF
3000: possibilities, whether we frame
these possibilities
RBCF
3000: psychologically,
transformationally, spiritually or
RBCF
3000: metaphysically. Most of these methods would probably
RBCF
3000: resist being labelled as
"mystical."
RBCF
3000: Here is the next
one.................
RBCF
3000: The channeling and devotional
methods are usually, but not
RBCF
3000: always, along spiritual lines. To
over-simplify, I'd say that the
RBCF
3000: self-programming methods rely on
various forms of hypnosis
RBCF
3000: or self-hypnosis. The Fourth Way
schools attempt to balance
RBCF
3000: the methods of the other
approaches, usually by setting
RBCF
3000: tasks that require the use of more
than the ordinary attention
RBCF
3000: so that the students will catch
themselves "between frames."
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: By "frames" I am using a
metaphor of being in a movie
RBCF
3000: theatre, in which we have forgotten
that we came in to see a
RBCF
3000: movie, but now think that the movie
on the screen is our
RBCF
3000: actual life. Our real life is still waiting for us,
outside the
RBCF
3000: theatre. Think of the frames of a movie
film: they run past our
RBCF
3000: eyes at a certain speed, and we
automatically give them a
RBCF
3000: continuity.
RBCF
3000: ******* Have you come across ideas
like this before,
RBCF
3000: anyone?
Fleetwolf:
Aristotle, Zen, X-tianity and Taoism all
share similar ideas.
Freethinker40:
Yes of course .3000 its my inner super
conscious
RBCF
3000: Fleetwolf, right -- it's just taken
a while to put it together in
RBCF
3000: this form.
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, what does your
super-consciouness do?
Freethinker40:
consciousness...is like a movie it does
blink on and off real fast so to speak.
TESLA21058:
it's also the ability to control the
illusion of timespace..if I read you right
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, what's in-between the
frames for you?
James7289:
but can we change the plot midstream?
REISHISAGE:
one thing it does for you Free is
take u out of humble behavior and allowing led by ego
Freethinker40:
there is only the physical inbetween
REISHISAGE:
only dealing with intellect and
logic
Freethinker40:
yes the EGO is gone at this time of
thought
Fleetwolf:
In between frmaes is consciouness
reacting upon energy to create the next frame.
RBCF
3000: James, yes, that's the job-- change
not only the plot, but the
RBCF
3000: whole format. We've been running
35mm BW slides, now we
RBCF
3000: want Panavision and Todd-AO.
Leviah42:
and this is something done at will?
RBCF
3000: TESLA, exactly right. When we awaken, though, is that just
RBCF
3000: another dream?
Sircletree:
who's will
James7289:
a dream within a dream
Freethinker40:
yes thoughts create the movie
TESLA21058:
isn't all of it? How will we know?
James7289:
the sleeper must awaken (obscure Dune
line)
AutumnPath3:
sounds an awful lot like the book
Illusions, by Richard Bach
Leviah42:
awareness is a knowing... no doubts
RBCF
3000: Leviah, yes, "at-will",
but not by snapping our fingers, if
Sircletree:
when we're done
RBCF
3000: we've done nothing of discipline,
right?
Fleetwolf:
Done at will if you can control things,
but your will does things you don't know you control
TESLA21058:
if we can change our thinking and
living through it, we
TESLA21058:
have created the perception of a
better reality
REISHISAGE:
Free if i say to you , 'You are not
free as u are prisoner of your thoughts" does that not
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REISHISAGE:
place u in a box
REISHISAGE:
controlling u
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, sure-- but if we say it
to *ourselves* and act
RBCF
3000: on it, that's a horse of another
color!
REISHISAGE:
:>
Freethinker40:
Dreams are more reality than waking
life to be more accurate
RBCF
3000: Fleetwolf, I don't count what we've
been taught as real Will--
RBCF
3000: we just never know enough, about
the situation or our
RBCF
3000: selves, right?
Fleetwolf:
Never know everything.....
REISHISAGE:
Thought, logic, intellect,
potential, is nothing absolutely nothing without its fuse =action
Mythagorass:
afraid i can't. have too many im's now as it is.
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, do you consider
"waking life" to be just a dream,
RBCF
3000: or a series of dreams?
Fleetwolf:
Thought is action, only on a level not
usually obvious.
REISHISAGE:
lights one fuse
Bitsty:
Illusions by Bach was very good Autumn
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, Arwen wanted to give
you the room summary
RBCF
3000: in IM.
Freethinker40:
A series of dreams.3000
TESLA21058:
yes Bitsty :))
Mythagorass:
3000, thank you for yours. that is enough.
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, under special
conditions? What are the risks?
REISHISAGE:
Now nik Tesla was a master of not
only energy but ways of its applications....he was gagged
Leviah42:
It us usually through an action that an
awareness or reality comes to us
REISHISAGE:
because of his insights
REISHISAGE:
inventions
TESLA21058:
yes Reishi
Fleetwolf:
He was gagged by those who profited from
his inventions he intended to be free to all.
Mythagorass:
does astral projection awareness fit
into this topic?
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, it's pretty common on
this plane for fear to
RBCF
3000: squelch new ideas and awakening of
consciousness, isn't it?
Leviah42:
that's not uncommon Fleet
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, sure, in the right
place. We're following an
RBCF
3000: outline, and we'll be getting to
particulars of states and
RBCF
3000: trances, and such.
RBCF
3000: Ok, let's go on with tonight's
subject a bit further, yes? ........
TESLA21058:
yes
Bitsty:
y
Freethinker40:
Consciousness is what we are ,is it not......?
RBCF
3000: (Please hold comments a minute
Mythagorass:
ah, the discussion of dream and
awareness of passing from one state to another seemed to fit
Freethinker40:
ok
Mythagorass:
k
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, good question, so I'll
take it briefly ...
RBCF
3000: Let's just say for now that the
Totality of Consciousness the
RBCF
3000: Hologram in 13 dimensions, is What
we Are. But we have no
RBCF
3000: idea about any of this yet-- that's
why we are going for
RBCF
3000: ecstatic awareness.
REISHISAGE:
3000 to this date , your Chopra,
Robbins , many others of the world even Houdini were babies
REISHISAGE:
to Tesla knowing
RBCF
3000: ... because we have to witness the
miraculous vision of what
REISHISAGE:
They all stole some of his work
RBCF
3000: this looks like-- words are too
flat to describe what is
RBCF
3000: happening.
Freethinker40:
true
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, I don't know if Tesla
exactly fits this particular
RBCF
3000: conversation, but I agree with you.
RBCF
3000: Ok, now please let's continue with
the class..................
RBCF
3000: This frame-editing mechanism can be
manipulated for
RBCF
3000: embedding subliminal messages, and
people who have done
RBCF
3000: deep psychological or spiritual
healings find that the healing
RBCF
3000: consists largely in rooting out all
of these self-destructive
RBCF
3000: messages that we have installed
between the frames of the
RBCF
3000: film. Furthermore, each different culture
teaches their young
RBCF
3000: to string the frames together in a
different way, so that each
RBCF
3000: child subscribes to the
"reality" of that culture.
MagicMama111:
Shamanism is one way of experiencing
ecstasy
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: So we can conceivably string
together a complete alternate
RBCF
3000: reality, gradually, outside of the
conventions, habits and
RBCF
3000: categories in which we have become
trapped. Without proper
RBCF
3000: training, these new perceptions would
constitute
RBCF
3000: hallucination or psychosis-- the
ordinary ego becomes
RBCF
3000: destabilized.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: In the proper circumstances for
real transformation, the ego
RBCF
3000: does still become destabilized, but
a new platform is
RBCF
3000: provided by the lineage or the
master, one which has a far
RBCF
3000: greater perspective and enormously
more resources than the
RBCF
3000: ordinary ego. From this platform,
it is possible not only to
RBCF
3000: perceive the Miraculous, but to
perform miracles as well.
RBCF
3000: ***** Ok, does that idea make this
work too risky? What if
RBCF
3000: we go mad or get lost somehow? How can we trust the
RBCF
3000: lineage or the master, etc?
Freethinker40:
Ecstatic Consciousness is our core true
self .....of many probable seleves....?
Mythagorass:
the ego has to be willing to step
aside
Leviah42:
by the works
TESLA21058:
sounds like it's not for the layman
to attempt....those are big shoes and dangerous toys
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, why is our core
Ecstatic? Can't we "just get
RBCF
3000: along"?
Mythagorass:
from human standpoints, this would be
new material, but we came from there, so it isn't
Freethinker40:
The Ego will all most always bring you
back to physical reality
Leviah42:
question
TESLA21058:
yes Free.. and all of those dirty
little closets
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, do you mean that the
ego limits us, or that it
RBCF
3000: grounds us?
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Alisnntrnt:
Tesla, are the closets really dirty
or is it our gulit about what we have in them?
Mythagorass:
if you change your perspective to one
of being temporarily here, then ego can step aside.
Freethinker40:
it grounds us
TESLA21058:
Alisnntrnt, IMO, it's both...it's
dogma and false ego. Not all ego is bad
<g>
Alisnntrnt:
Freethinker40:
yes in a way ..Myth
MagicMama111:
i personally don;t want to grounded by
ego, ego gets in the way of truth
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, by "ego"
then, are you referring to our core
RBCF
3000: nature, or to indoctrinated
personality?
Freethinker40:
Ego is important in physical reality
Mythagorass:
if your ego agrees in it's temporary
standing in humanity, why would there be a problem?
MagicMama111:
why? free
RBCF
3000: So so Rus, hiya-- we're discussing
frames of reality. Does
RBCF
3000: this tie in with worlds of the
assemblage point?
Freethinker40:
Ego is not a part of core ....3000
So so
Rus: frames of reality
Zamurito:
Free, what IS ego part of ?
Mythagorass:
ego is a temporary mask, a part you
play. if you know this, there should be
no problem.
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, exactly right-- I
think that's why most people
So so
Rus: i think so...different worlds
different frames different points on ass point
RBCF
3000: don't go looking for
"trouble", right?
MagicMama111:
sure there is a problem-- you can know something and it can still get
in the way
Fleetwolf:
Ego is like any "manmade"
construct or tool...It is as good and as bad as you use for.
Mythagorass:
if you go humbly into the source of
yourself, as just one part of your wholeness, then no
Mythagorass:
problems should occur
REISHISAGE:
How did topic turn to ego answer me
that?
Freethinker40:
Ego is a part of our beliefs...
Kc and
marcy: ego rules.........not
Zamurito:
Is ego not part of the whole
"Us?"
Kc and
marcy: knowledge is the key
Mythagorass:
ego is just the human part of us.
Kc and
marcy: knowledge brings humility
Freethinker40:
yes
Mythagorass:
there are countless egos to each of
us.
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, yes, if ***HUMBLE***
enough. But we never
RBCF
3000: are humble enough, are we? We always have to suffer first,
TESLA21058:
ego is part of the human *trap* of
us
RBCF
3000: it seems.
So so
Rus: i think we can talk allwe want but
self importance is always there
Kc and
marcy: suffering makes you tuff
Kc and
marcy: and strong
Selph2000:
REISHI..you know the ego has no manners
TESLA21058:
Kc...and it kills ya quicker too
REISHISAGE:
it causes a drift in main goal, like
topic
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, exactly-- and the
disciplines I speak of are
RBCF
3000: intended to bring them all into
alignment.
Mythagorass:
if you die, you have no choice but to
face yourself. make a choice to be
humble within your
Kc and
marcy: that's true
Mythagorass:
wholeness now
Kc and
marcy: it like using too many steroids
Mythagorass:
i am only a piece of my whole
So so
Rus: i think the ego is the foreign
installation
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, that's why all shamans
and Priests have to
RBCF
3000: face Death and go thru the
underworld, isn't it?
Zamurito:
3k.....What disciplines do you speak of?
Mythagorass:
3000, that is the symbology of osiris
and others, the going into death
RBCF
3000: Zamurito, earlier tonight, I spoke
of the modern-day
RBCF
3000: disciplines like Gurdjieff, Zen,
4th Way, NLP, Avatar, etc.
REISHISAGE:
ah but 3000 these new techo shaman
do not face deaths they assume the ego's mask of teachers
Punaturtle:
Aloha
So so
Rus: well be here on time, how unpecable
of u
REISHISAGE:
that would be a hoaxy treatment ah
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, yes, but it's not just
metaphor-- we actually do
RBCF
3000: have to Die in order to be born and
to awaken.
So so
Rus: techno shaman thats cool
REISHISAGE:
play on words
TESLA21058:
good point Reishi
RBCF
3000: ... but not the ignoble death of
the sleeping.
Freethinker40:
Death is Birth
Kc and
marcy: particleman, triangle man, and
universe man
Mythagorass:
for instance, the pyramid
coffin. last rites of passage, astral
projection to know your
Mythagorass:
truth
Fleetwolf:
Some are born awake already...
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, then can they truly
achieve what we are trying
RBCF
3000: to do?
REISHISAGE:
<~ die two times this lifetime
Selph2000:
to realize who one is..one has to face
that which he/she is not
Bitsty:
Is astral travel a kind of death?
Freethinker40:
yes ...Bits
Bitsty:
How so Free?
Mythagorass:
astral travel is your reality. waking in the body is like being drunken in
comparison
REISHISAGE:
To answer u NO infactically 3000 ,
they cannot achieve it but those that buy into their
REISHISAGE:
schemes.
REISHISAGE:
not true to themselves
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, that's always a risk--
but I've always learned
RBCF
3000: something from them anyway, until I
saw that I had to leave
RBCF
3000: and keep looking.
Freethinker40:
you leave your corporal body
behind...Bisty
Fleetwolf:
Sometimes teachers teach you what NOT to
do...
REISHISAGE:
3000 if u hav or maybe u will meet
sometime real deal there will be no more questions n mind
So so
Rus: so we lost our egos right?
REISHISAGE:
no comparison
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, right-- a lot of the
ecstatic states feel drunk at
RBCF
3000: first, but only till we get our
legs under us, so to speak.
Mythagorass:
in the mystic traditional schools,
learning the difference between this body life, and
Kc and
marcy: please help me i am new
Bitsty:
yes , i understand that Free
Mythagorass:
spirit life is the graduation
So so
Rus: kc u must stick to topic or you will
be gaged or removed
Bitsty:
What if you it unknowingly..what does
that say ablut you?
Kc and
marcy: non linear time free of the
body
Bitsty:
about
Kc and
marcy: what is the topic
So so
Rus: good ?
RBCF
3000: So so Rus, thanks but we'll handle
discipline (and bondage
REISHISAGE:
not here to give lesson only to
answer what comes up as best i can :>
Mythagorass:
bitsy, so what unknowingly?
Bitsty:
what if you astral travel
unknowingly...
So so
Rus: bondage now thats a topic
Mythagorass:
bitsy, you mean without remembering?
Kc and
marcy: a short explanation please
Bitsty:
yes, and not doing it on purpose
RBCF
3000: So so Rus, this is a class about
ecstatic states of awareness.
REISHISAGE:
slide or hand, slide of mind,
sliding ........the ancient trickster storytellers loki
Mythagorass:
bitsy, all humans astral travel, when
we sleep.
Freethinker40:
you do in the dream state all the
time..../?
Bitsty:
every night?
So so
Rus: this is a class about ecstatic
states of awareness.
Leviah42:
has anyone here been in this ecstatic
state of awareness?
Mythagorass:
every night, we just have slight
remembrances as dreams
Kc and
marcy: falling off a cliff is a good
sense of awareness
Kc and
marcy: it s realty
Kc and
marcy: its stimulation
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Mythagorass:
sorry, trying to find a color i can
follow myself, lol
RBCF
3000: Ok, we need to get back to the
outline, running out of
RBCF
3000: time........
Alisnntrnt:
lol, understood Myth!
RBCF
3000: Please hold comments for a couple
of minutes while I give
RBCF
3000: the text of the next idea .............
RBCF
3000: The truth is that it is not the
methods themselves that are
RBCF
3000: mystical, but what we make out of
them, where we may go
RBCF
3000: with them. There is nothing
inherently mystical about
RBCF
3000: speaking in tongues or channeling
beings of the seventh
RBCF
3000: dimension, nor about entering
specific trance states at will,
RBCF
3000: nor about being able to pierce the
flesh, handle fire or snake
RBCF
3000: venom or walk on hot coals or on
broken glass, nor on
RBCF
3000: witnessing "miracles" --
quotation marks because most of
RBCF
3000: what we call miracles are fairly
straightforward "tricks" of the
RBCF
3000: attention.
RBCF
3000: The real Miraculous is both more
subtle than these
RBCF
3000: perceptions and, at the same time,
much more powerful. But
RBCF
3000: to enter into the Miraculous and
witness, as martyrs, takes
RBCF
3000: something extraordinary in us,
something that takes long,
RBCF
3000: persistent super-efforts on our
part, and also quite a bit of
RBCF
3000: extraordinary and magical
"luck" from outside of our normal
RBCF
3000: frame.
Doughboy389:
RBCF have you been translated to one
place to the Other?
NightPath:
3K> Attention...awareness not a result
of effort..it is a
NightPath:
result of being..it is awakening to your
birthright
RBCF
3000: ******* Ok, we should define some
of these terms........
So so
Rus: u know when i first did tensegrity i
felt this bliss
Freethinker40:
Mind over matter
RBCF
3000: Doughboy, yes-- it's pretty
bewildering, isn't it?
Doughboy389:
Ya I would say it would be
NightPath:
What effort is required to take a breath
Doughboy389:
How far did you translate
So so
Rus: i think u might be more inclined to
feel this if u are around higher beings
RBCF
3000: NightPath, then how does it come to
us? Just a gift or luck?
Leviah42:
a gift
Leviah42:
not at will
NightPath:
3k> it does not come to you..it is you
Freethinker40:
true .....Night
RBCF
3000: Doughboy, I don't know how to
measure the "distance".
Mythagorass:
it's will over persception. convincing the mind that your
"reality" is not here.
Mgb153:
bbl
RBCF
3000: NightPath, then why don't we know
it all the time?
Doughboy389:
was it FAR
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, is
"convincing" the same as *will*?
RBCF
3000: Doughboy, some near, some very very
very far.
Mythagorass:
"ego", mind, needs to be
convinced. either by practice or
instant experience.
NightPath:
3K> you do know it all the time...you
chosse to ignore
NightPath:
it..in ordr to buy into the ilusion..what
good is a movie if
NightPath:
you know it is just light on a screen..
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, I find that terror and
desperation are great
RBCF
3000: "convincers"
Mythagorass:
3000, then the mind is not convinced
enough
TESLA21058:
Night...it's entertainment..like
most folk's lives here
Selph2000:
Night...excellent
Leviah42:
what is the purpose of this class? what
is the goal here?
Freethinker40:
true ....Night
RBCF
3000: NightPath, why would I ever choose
sleep & ignorance over
RBCF
3000: awakening and mastery?
So so
Rus: good ? lev
TESLA21058:
that little body is a great
playground too <g>
Mythagorass:
3000, you did when you came here.
moot question
Mgb153:
myth, was gonna IM you, you are
blocked...
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, the Power is not
located in the mind, at least
RBCF
3000: not the mind we know of here...
NightPath:
3k> The joy of playing hide 7 sekk
with your self..it is a playful universe@!!
Galaxon:
3000 perytons choose the former every
time
Leviah42:
how do we know to seek awareness if we
never have been there?
REISHISAGE:
awakening and persay mastery is
items of desired ends held by ego minds
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, "perytons"???
Mythagorass:
3000, that is your test of coming
here. lifetimes in blindness, can you
become free?
REISHISAGE:
to allow it to come to you is the
way
Galaxon:
yes....someone taht used to come here
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, I expect to find that
out for good and sure real soon.
Mythagorass:
3000, then step aside. that's all it takes.
RBCF
3000: Leviah, true, but something in us
does recognize the Truth
RBCF
3000: when we get to it-- very strange...
NightPath:
3K> can you look into the world and
smile?
REISHISAGE:
truth smacks u down it gets
attentions swiftly
REISHISAGE:
truth is something you stumble into
when you think you're going someplace else..
REISHISAGE:
jerry garcia
RBCF
3000: NightPath, yes, but I don't know
what smiling proves,
RBCF
3000: ultimately...
TESLA21058:
depends on who's truth...
So so
Rus: thats nice reish but not always true
Leviah42:
I know what you're saying, 3000, and I
agree.. but why do we recognize the truth?
Mythagorass:
one of the teachings, even of Jesus,
was that you have to give up your power to your true
Mythagorass:
self
REISHISAGE:
Rus nothing is always
NightPath:
3K> it proves..you can take it all
in..in joy..and not in just intellect
So so
Rus: hum wowo thats deep
RBCF
3000: Leviah, I think it may be like
science fiction-- dormant codes
RBCF
3000: in our DNA or something, that
activate under certain
RBCF
3000: conditions...
RBCF
3000: NightPath, for sure!
Leviah42:
maybe it's because we were already
taught the truth
REISHISAGE:
but then we hold judgements here in
higher mind new age right :>
RBCF
3000: Ok, just a little more of tonight's
lesson to go-- please hold
RBCF
3000: comments once again.
RBCF
3000: ..................................................
RBCF
3000: In the Miraculous that I am
referring to, the direct
RBCF
3000: relationship between our
intentions, words and even passing
RBCF
3000: thoughts to what is manifest,
becomes immediately and
RBCF
3000: transparently clear.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Think about dogs you've seen
choking on their leashes
RBCF
3000: because they don't realize the
relationship between the leash
RBCF
3000: and their mobility. With cats, you
can put some fluttery
RBCF
3000: plastic on the end of a wire, and
they will keep chasing and
RBCF
3000: jumping at the toy, usually never
becoming aware that all
RBCF
3000: their effort corresponds to a
simple flick of your wrist.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: I am saying that the effort we are
making constitutes as big a
RBCF
3000: leap as it would take a dog or a
cat to understand how a
RBCF
3000: human controls them. Such a leap
would take great efforts on
RBCF
3000: the part of the animal, enormous
help from some patient
RBCF
3000: human, and even physiological
changes.
RBCF
3000: Obviously, the animal does not have
the mental equipment
RBCF
3000: to understand how our hands
operate, and then they do not
RBCF
3000: have hands with which to do the
manipulations.
RBCF
3000: .
NightPath:
3K> okay...you are still talking from
a dualism..you are
NightPath:
not in the wsorld..the world is in YOU!
RBCF
3000: NightPath, I agree with you.
Mythagorass:
nightpath, seems the thinking mind
can't get out of they're way, lol
Galaxon:
how can altered states be nonsense?
Leviah42:
that is why we are told we do not have
the mind of God
Rdwebster:
We are one mind, the universal mind of
God.
Mythagorass:
humans like to force themselves to be
higher than their state of now. mind in
the way.
Leviah42:
if that were true... then we would be
automatically aware
Galaxon:
one mind, many bodies
NightPath:
3K> if you had 15 minutes to
live..what would you do?
Mythagorass:
forcing enlightenment never works.
mind will never understand.
Leviah42:
true Myth
Rdwebster:
enjoy the moment for 15 minutes
REISHISAGE:
that was what was meant by allowing
it to come to you..
RBCF
3000: NightPath, I'd sing and dance, and
my Death would stand and
Mythagorass:
just step aside, consciously give up
your power to your source.
RBCF
3000: wait till I had danced the dance of
my whole Life.
Galaxon:
3k so ecstatic awareness is experincing oneness?
Leviah42:
yes, Reishi
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Selph2000:
That Which Is cannot be except in the
space THat Which Is Not
Galaxon:
in other words......nirvanayh
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, I guess so, but it is
awareness that no words can
RBCF
3000: describe. This class is just a jumping-off point for it.
Galaxon:
3k...ok awareness of the absoulute
Rdwebster:
...nirvanay, yes because the present
moment is all that really exists
Mythagorass:
all mystical schools forced you to
give up your powers. rites of passage
to rid you of ego.
Galaxon:
the problem with the absolute is that
it experiences nothing. has only knowledge
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, I guess, whatever that
means... do you see? I
RBCF
3000: agree, but don't want to reduce the
idea to a recipe card.
Leviah42:
being kind and caring to others is the
actual "jumping-off" point .. as you say
REISHISAGE:
a song maybe tom petty .... free
falling come to mind when 3000 say jumping off point ..lol
So so
Rus: good point lev
RBCF
3000: Leviah, compassion is certainly a
great tool for it, but is not
RBCF
3000: the goal itself that I am seeking
in this discourse.
So so
Rus: i think when we good looking 4
enlightenment we alwys find the *me*
Leviah42:
I already asked you what the goal was.
Mythagorass:
" it is not myself, but my
father who works through me." that is giving up to your self.
NightPath:
3K> As long as you have a goal..you
are only driven by born mind..can you feel that?
REISHISAGE:
Selph did you get all that :>
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, about the Absolute, I
might say just the exact
RBCF
3000: opposite-- all experience at once.
Freethinker40:
We create all realities with our
thoughts and emotions and feeling behind them
Mythagorass:
nightpath. agreed. you cannot have a
goal. mind has goals
Galaxon:
3k....in the absolute...everything is
the same...what is there to experience and how?
Selph2000:
Gala..that is the space of no time...to have an experience there
must be a time frame
RBCF
3000: NightPath, that reduces everything
to nothing. Leaves
So so
Rus: but are we always responsible 4
them free?
RBCF
3000: nowhere to go, I think.
Galaxon:
3k in the absolute...how can
forgiveness be experienced if there is nobody to forgive?
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, I find differently.
NightPath:
when you are already everywhere....no
place to go yes
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, because I-am the hologram
of forgiveness.
REISHISAGE:
and thats a self chekmate like blow
up doll
Leviah42:
it's a very pure heart that has nobody
to forgive
Mythagorass:
ok
RBCF
3000: ******** Ok, I am almost done with
tonight's lesson, so
RBCF
3000: please hold comments for one more
minute..................
RBCF
3000: ......................................................
RBCF
3000: The mystical lineage that I am
reporting about regards our
RBCF
3000: position as much the same as the
examples I have been
RBCF
3000: giving you here. We could awaken,
we could uncover the
RBCF
3000: programs that run us, we could
learn to observe the
RBCF
3000: connection between everything, we
could learn that unified
RBCF
3000: intent governs the structure of the
universe, we could learn
RBCF
3000: how the gods control us, and we
**could** learn how to take
RBCF
3000: that control away from the gods and
keep it for ourselves.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: We could become immortal,
omniscient and omnipotent. Best
RBCF
3000: of all, we could learn to be the
source of universal love. We
RBCF
3000: could know a oneness with each
other such that all of our
RBCF
3000: needs are always met perfectly, in
perfect harmony. Not
RBCF
3000: only is this extremely rare and
difficult, but it is as if forces
RBCF
3000: come into play that resist our
progress more and more as we
RBCF
3000: advance to freedom. But is it
ultimately worth it? That is for
RBCF
3000: each of us to decide and claim.
RBCF
3000: .
Freethinker40:
physical reality is not the only
reality....it would become stale so to speak
RBCF
3000: It is very strange that people will
say, "I am only human" as
RBCF
3000: if that were a sufficient excuse to
do nothing differently, an
RBCF
3000: explanation of weakness and sleep.
Yet it is the Human alone
RBCF
3000: that can make the kinds of
transformations that we have
RBCF
3000: been talking about. What comfort do
we get out of excusing
RBCF
3000: ourselves to an all-too-brief life
of stupid suffering leading to
RBCF
3000: ignoble death? Especially when such
an amazingly wonderful
RBCF
3000: alternative is possible.
RBCF
3000: *********** OK, friends, that is
tonight's lesson. What do
RBCF
3000: you think? Questions about terminology?
NightPath:
3K> learn..is a TIME ILLUSION of the
born mind..your
NightPath:
birthright is connected to the one
mind/all knowing
TESLA21058:
yesss!!!
Leviah42:
I think I'm glad to have the beliefs I
have.
TESLA21058:
no questions here...I follow and it
fits for me
Mythagorass:
lesson, lol. more of a treatise.
So so
Rus: it was nice 3k yer getting better
Leviah42:
I'm also glad to know that God does not
control me.
Freethinker40:
I believe we are all apart of ALL THAT
IS .....
RBCF
3000: So so Rus, thanks.
Mythagorass:
as i said before, you can't think
yourself into enlightenment.
RBCF
3000: Leviah, who does control us,
then? The ego seems to small
RBCF
3000: and ignorant, doesn't it?
Selph2000:
"I tell you this "YE ARE
GODS"-CWG...and also bibilical
NightPath:
Myth> YES!!
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, and I agree with
you. Then why DO we discuss
RBCF
3000: the path?
Freethinker40:
There is nothing to take from anybody
Leviah42:
Love is not control
Godznu:
Would you say that this estatic state
is the fourth stage of consciousness
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, then how do we
activate our birthright?
So so
Rus: one minute yer aware of it and the
next time u turn yer head your not
TESLA21058:
because it solidifies it for
us...makes it within grasp to LIVE
NightPath:
3K> Can you tell when one speaks from
a belief..and when one speaks from a knowing?
Mythagorass:
3000, it's necessary to discuss how
things are done. but mind needs to know
it's limits.
RBCF
3000: Leviah, shouldn't be, but the way
we "love" on Earth sure
RBCF
3000: seems like control &
manipulation, doesn't it?
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, can mind *set* its own
limits?
TESLA21058:
seems like it tome 3000
Leviah42:
not if we are aware
RBCF
3000: Leviah, how do we *get* aware?
Freethinker40:
you are only talking of physical
birthright ...3000
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, I am??????????
Leviah42:
If we are aware of who we are.. the needs
are gone.. control is a need
Mythagorass:
3000, that would be arrogance of ego,
or limiting, either way, assumption.
Leviah42:
3000... by asking with a sincere heart
RBCF
3000: Leviah, and then listening for the
Answer, right?
Quizzy
Too: This is a facinating
discussion. When I look up, I can see it dancing up above my head.
Leviah42:
Oh but the "answer" often
comes in ways we don't expect.
RBCF
3000: Quizzy Too, that's how I get these
ideas.
Godznu:
Consciously aware of our omnipresenc
and omnipotence,is that who we are?
Mythagorass:
mind can only assume, and
ponder. setting limits either limits,
or gets dissapointed
NightPath:
You are the answer..you create questions
only so you can find yourself!
Quizzy
Too: I read somewhere that there are
years of questioning, and there are years of answers.
RBCF
3000: Godznu, at core, yes-- but the
trick is how to bring the
RBCF
3000: Totality of the Self back around to
meet it, right?
REISHISAGE:
perhaps 3000 prethought this to purge
some others knowledge out of them ...that would be a
REISHISAGE:
nice programming
Quizzy
Too: I think I'll just finish up my
questioning years, and look forward to the answering ones.
Freethinker40:
3000...Why do you talk of taking this
Consciousness from something?
Quizzy
Too: And have some tea all the
while.
NightPath:
Stop talking...Stop thinking...and there
is nothing you will not understand.
Godznu:
but
arent we the very thing we are seeking?
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, it's not up to me to do
anything with people's
RBCF
3000: knowledge. At best I can confirm one's experience a
bit.
Mythagorass:
when you die, you have no
choice. if your ego is in control, you
will not become complete.
TESLA21058:
3000, thank you for a very special evening. It was much enjoyed.
REISHISAGE:
3000 u would assume the all
authority at that point if others allowed it , but u may find it
REISHISAGE:
harder to do than u think :>
NightPath:
it is only in your self doubt you create
the question..for you are the answer
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, we ARE consciousness--
we use our experience
RBCF
3000: to take the Power we need back into
ourselves, see?
Freethinker40:
ok
REISHISAGE:
cancel cancel ok ok yes
Godznu:
Buddha says if you peel an onion,layer
after layer,what is left at the core,nothing, in them
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Freethinker40:
i misunderstood you ..sorry....3000
Mythagorass:
3000, there's another one. you can't "take" the power. you have to give yourself up.
RBCF
Arwen: Ladies and gentlemen, thank
you for your
RBCF
Arwen: participation, sharing, and
insights tonight.
RBCF
Arwen: Please remember our next
class will be at this
RBCF
Arwen: same time, same night next
Monday. If you
RBCF
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class please Email me,
RBCF
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to you as soon as
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RBCF
3000: Freethinker, basically, we have
divested our Power of
Godznu:
In the same way shouldnt we peel layer
after layer of self away
RBCF
3000: awareness in all the little
concerns of life, so we have to go
RBCF
3000: round it up, is how I think of it.
RBCF
Arwen: Free chat open
Alisnntrnt:
thank you 3K
RBCF
3000: You're all very welcome. Next week: We will examine the
RBCF
3000: books, movies, media, myths and
stories which portray these
RBCF
3000: ideas and possibilities most
clearly. Thank you all for
RBCF
3000: wondering with us today.
Freethinker40:
ok..thanks.300..very good class tonihgt
Godznu:
Peace be to you,Little
NightPath:
Godnz> A priest confronted buddha with
a
NightPath:
question.."Buddha are you man or
god" Buddha replied I
NightPath:
am Awake
RBCF
3000: NOTE: please email me if you'd like the log of the class or our
RBCF
3000: weekly newsletter of topics.
Mythagorass:
we don't have 1 millionth of who we
are, with us here. we never will as
long as we have ego
Gldnblravn2:
Thank you all...RBCF's
Godznu:
Yes the awakened one seeing things as
they are one reality
RBCF
Arwen: {{{{The New Age}}}}
Alisnntrnt:
Namaste' all
RBCF
Arwen: Good night all
NightPath:
Godnz. Right on !
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, that is what we'll be
tackling in future classes--
RBCF
3000: glad you brought it up.
Mythagorass:
how so?
Gldnblravn2:
MP...RBCF Arwen
RBCF
3000: Mythagorass, I agree with you about
ego limitation, and I'll
RBCF
3000: be getting into how to step out of
ego.
RBCF
3000: Good night, friends.........
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