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RBCF
Herm: okay, we are done for tonight, I
now turn the room over to
RBCF
Herm: the next shift who have a wonderful
chat lined up for all of you
Jes Lil
old me: What's up next, 3000?
RBCF
3000: Ok, friends-- we'll be on informal
protocol for the next hour-and-a-half, for this brand new
RBCF
3000: class on Ecstatic Awareness.
RBCF
3000: Tonight is the first of a 25-week series.
Jes Lil
old me: 3000, could you explain what
informal protocol is, please?
RBCF
Arwen: Welcome, , to our class in
Ecstatic Awareness. In
RBCF
Arwen: this context, the word
"ecstatic," refers to the
RBCF
Arwen: mystical usage referring to *outside
of* all normal
RBCF
Arwen: states of perception or
awareness. TOS will be
RBCF
Arwen: followed. The class is
"informal" protocol. The
RBCF
Arwen: instructor will open a topic,
intro it, then go ahead
RBCF
Arwen: with question and answers,
repeating this process
RBCF
Arwen: several times. If you have
any questions, IM your
RBCF
Arwen: Host, RBCF Arwen.
RBCF
Arwen: Thank you
RBCF
3000: INFORMAL PROTOCOL: "Wait for a
paragraph to complete before commenting or questions."
RBCF 3000:
Welcome, everyone. Tonight begins our
class in Ecstatic
RBCF
3000: Awareness. This means entering into
states of consciousness,
RBCF
3000: accompanied by transformation of
being, in which the supernatural
RBCF
3000: and the Miraculous can be
witnessed, even including the realms of
RBCF
3000: Divinity.
RBCF
3000: The way that I am using the word
"ecstatic," I am not speaking of
RBCF
3000: the common vernacular for
"very happy" but, rather, the mystical
RBCF
3000: usage referring to *outside of* all
normal states of perception or
RBCF
3000: awareness.
RBCF
3000: This means, according to esoteric
doctrine, standing outside of the
RBCF
3000: personality, or ego-mask, which is
everything that we have been
RBCF
3000: taught, from the time of infancy,
as opposed to what we brought in
RBCF
3000: with us: our natural proclivities,
our capacities and preferences, our
RBCF
3000: original "wiring," if you
will.
RBCF
3000: As children, we are taught,
actually entrained and indoctrinated, to
RBCF
3000: perceive and cognate within a
"reality" which is deemed acceptable
RBCF
3000: to the given society.
RBCF
3000: ** Does this ring any bells for you
all? Do you need some of the
RBCF
3000: terms explained?
Giggle6210:
yes 3000 rings bells
AutumnPath3:
I am seeing it as about an 8
RBCF
3000: **Comment now, please
NobleSaveg:
unlessthey do as was just done by
two and ignore the protical
Quest
of balance: I follow and am curious.
Nenonen:
dhyana bells
Dakopp2:
You are more or less saying ..we are
what we belive...
James7289:
We are conditioned to see only part of
what is real.
RBCF
3000: Dakopp, more or less, perhaps yes
Quest
of balance: If even that,
James. How much of social stuff is
Quest
of balance: really real?
Jes Lil
old me: so the ecxtatic awareness is
seeing beyond the veil?
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REISHISAGE:
That is because until one awakens
the parts of brain through sycronicity only 10% is used in
REISHISAGE:
conscious daily life
REISHISAGE:
subconscious life begins at night
sleep
REISHISAGE:
or in medition
Kitshanti:
Syncronicity????
REISHISAGE:
and
it is false about only 10% brain used , we use all of brain only awaken
to other parts
REISHISAGE:
after sycronitcity
Dakopp2:
also
what we are taught to belive..early in physical reality is perhaps a
wall to inner sel
Quest
of balance: Does synchronicity
merely happen or can we contrive
Quest
of balance: it?
REISHISAGE:
that is the no coincidence no
mistakes item....
REISHISAGE:
:>
Kitshanti:
What is synchronicity pleeease?
REISHISAGE:
alternate channels of mind / brain
of subconscious
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, normal people don't use
very much at any one time-- more is
RBCF
3000: considered schizophrenic.
REISHISAGE:
daily lives do not use this often
RBCF
3000: Quest of balance, I am finding that
*everything* is synchronistic
RBCF
3000: Kitshanti, it is finding out that
seemingly unrelated things are intertwined.
Giggle6210:
Kit synchronicity is where
everything happens just at the right time with the right meetings
Giggle6210:
of people in the right sequence
Nenonen:
karma ripens?
Kitshanti:
In other words what is meant to be?
Jes Lil
old me: so, 3000, then is the ecstatic
awareness all about
Jes Lil
old me: awaking our consciousness of the
connectedness of what
Jes Lil
old me: seems to be disconnected?
RBCF
3000: Jes Lil old me, it includes that,
and much more-- you'll see...
RBCF
3000: (continuing) In view of this
notion, all of our deviations-- even
RBCF
3000: criminal, and certainly all our
maladies-- are perfectly within the mold
RBCF
3000: of the society.
RBCF
3000: It is also within the mold of
societal "consciousness" to talk about
RBCF
3000: other worlds, other dimensions,
angels, the supernatural realms and
RBCF
3000: entities, divinity in all forms,
and all kinds of special powers and gifts
REISHISAGE:
a note need be said u do not go seek
sychronicity it occur when u stop all conscious thought
RBCF
3000: that some unique individuals happen
to be born with or acquire
RBCF
3000: through some miracle over which
they had no control.
REISHISAGE:
of ways to make things occur
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, very good point
SheBeastMstr:
we are all not born with this gift??
REISHISAGE:
all are born with what u call gift
REISHISAGE:
not all use it or access it
RBCF
3000: SheBeastMstr, we are all born with
the DNA programs, the neural wiring and
RBCF
3000: the native abilities, but then we
mostly get it trained out of us. Also, it
RBCF
3000: takes a lot of focus of attention
and other skills we can learn.
SheBeastMstr:
ah ok
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, does the above answer
your question for now too?
SOULBRO1:
yeah
RBCF
3000: (continuing a bit more)
RBCF
3000: Furthermore, it is customary to
ascribe all possibilities to ourselves:
RBCF
3000: consciousness, immortality (at
least in some form), *will*,
RBCF
3000: permanence of ego, and the ability
to *do* (at least if I really
RBCF
3000: *wanted* to enough).
RBCF
3000: In esoteric and mystical tradition,
*none* of these qualities belong to
RBCF
3000: ordinary people but, through
super-efforts over the course of
RBCF
3000: decades, and with a great deal of
help and luck, a person *may*
RBCF
3000: achieve some of them in time,
before our organism has deteriorated
RBCF
3000: too much.
RBCF
3000: **** It may seem like I am
contradicting myself a bit here, no?
Jes Lil
old me: nope
SheBeastMstr:
<think im with ya
RBCF
3000: In New Age circles that I hang out
in, people love to ascribe all these
RBCF
3000: qualities to themselves with no
effort whatsoever. Does it seem fair to
RBCF
3000: require a lot of discipline and
patience?
Giggle6210:
3000 seems reasonable but hard
RBCF
3000: (comments here, please
LucidDreamweaver:
fair is not an issue really
SheBeastMstr:
yes
Quest
of balance: any true qualities would
not need to be ascribed per se
SheBeastMstr:
is fair
Jes Lil
old me: Fair has nothing to do with it.
To build any skill requires practice and discipline
RBCF
3000: Giggle, it's hard to learn the
piano or astrophysics too, but is it worth the
RBCF
3000: effort?
James7289:
It comes easier to some than others, but
we all have our work to do
James7289:
this time around that is a challenge to
us.
TESLA21058:
who decides what is fair for self?
SheBeastMstr:
practic makes for perfect
Kitshanti:
Perhaps for some it comes naturally but
for others it has to take discipline and practice.
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Giggle6210:
3000 I don't know the answer to that
James7289:
Abilities we mastered in past lives may
come easy
RBCF
3000: TESLA, is it about fair, or about
what our soul wishes to accomplish?
Dakopp2:
there is alot of effort........to see
inside ones self
TESLA21058:
3K..I believe the latter...the
heart's quest
TESLA21058:
what intent one will place upon
goals for the self
RBCF
3000: Giggle, I can't prove that the
people who decide that efforts aren't
RBCF
3000: necessary are wrong, so it is up to
our own conscience, it seems, no?
James7289:
Yes which limits are real and which
self-imposed.
TESLA21058:
fair is dividing a cupcake between
children
Quest
of balance: Maybe it is like
practicing an instrament, and fine
Quest
of balance: tuning.
RBCF
3000: ... I just find that I am getting
paid off handsomely for a few decades of
RBCF
3000: hard work
Kitshanti:
I like that fine tuning thought
Giggle6210:
3000 My conscience needs a change of
heart
RBCF
3000: Quest of balance, good way to put
it
Dakopp2:
to go to where true consciousness
begins is not an easy task......
TESLA21058:
the older the better 3K
LucidDreamweaver:
lol
SheBeastMstr:
I think it is fair what you put into
something you get back
RBCF
3000: Giggle, I consider your Conscience
to BE your heart!
REISHISAGE:
Dak because one cannot think their
way to that place :>
Giggle6210:
3000 then I am in big trouble, might
as well give up now
RBCF
3000: Dakopp, right-- that's why the
complacent and the hypocrites needn't
RBCF
3000: bother
Dakopp2:
thought is all that is.....
RBCF
3000: Giggle, sometimes we have to
"give up" to go on further, ironically
TESLA21058:
knowing the path is not the same as
walking the path
REISHISAGE:
for some yes they go through entire
lives thinking just that thought Dak
Yogi
Salguod: yes and no Dak
Dakopp2:
thank you ....3000
REISHISAGE:
and make it so
Quest
of balance: But there is something
about being ready to do so,
Quest
of balance: Dakopp
Giggle6210:
3000 perhaps so
Dakopp2:
YOU MUST BE WILLING......TRUE
Yogi
Salguod: thought is all that is, yes
and no
SheBeastMstr:
maybe wanting?
RBCF
3000: If we study the origins of religion
and mythology, we can see
RBCF
3000: references to these possibilities
everywhere, and all of the stories and
RBCF
3000: depictions refer to the procedures,
alchemies and invocations that
RBCF
3000: are required.
RBCF
3000: These stories are almost all
metaphorical, except for some which
RBCF
3000: were intended to be taken
literally, but which we, in our group mind-
RBCF
3000: mold, take as metaphor.
RBCF
3000: It is almost as if we have
constructed a mechanism
RBCF
3000: ("formatory apparatus" or
"kundabuffer", according to
RBCF
3000: one of my teachers) which
specifically deletes the greater
RBCF
3000: significance of anything we try to
apprehend.
Giggle6210:
no that was new
Quest
of balance: that is from childhood
programming?
Giggle6210:
3000 why would we construst such a
mechanism?? for what purpose?
Nierika:
also language...is part of the
kundabuffer
Nenonen:
another name "interface";-)
RBCF
3000: Here would be a good place for
straightening out about the diff
RBCF
3000: between "thoughts" and
automatic mental reactions.
Nierika:
language, culture, childhood
experiences, etc. <~~all kundabuffer
LucidDreamweaver:
So the bible was written as guide
for the evolutionary development of the human conciousness
RBCF
3000: Giggle, we were *taught* to do this
from infancy! To forget
RBCF
3000: about our intuitive and spontaneous
perceptions and
RBCF
3000: comprehensions, and to fit
everything into little boxes and
RBCF
3000: categories, right?
Nierika:
yes...
Giggle6210:
okay 3000 makes sense
Nierika:
and school...education is a big part of
this side of us getting cabashed
Dakopp2:
Cells do have their own consciouness
Wingsoligh:
what is this
RBCF
3000: LucidDreamweaver, the experiments
IN the Bible were taught
RBCF
3000: for this reason-- the book itself
has been changed a lot by
RBCF
3000: "flat" people, though
Quest
of balance: maybe that is why we
come into our own one day,
Quest
of balance: Dakopp.
Nierika:
topic chat on ecstatic experience, Ana,
Wings
RBCF
3000: Dakopp, that is true, and we will
see this for ourselves when we
RBCF
3000: get into ecstatic consciousness
Wingsoligh:
nie what is that?
Dakopp2:
true
Nierika:
I guess that is what we are here to
discuss, Wings
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, and I am also very
vague, I'm afraid
Alisnntrnt:
Nierika, schools teach what society
demands
Alisnntrnt:
IMO
Nierika:
RBCF...would it be appropriate to
discuss avenues to this type of awareness?
RBCF
3000: Sure-- go ahead.
Nierika:
Yes...they do, Alis...and they are
still part of what squashes us
Alisnntrnt:
not all of us Nierika
SheBeastMstr:
<teacher and yuppers to that
Wingsoligh:
Like I told Jill some of us Cant not understand what you are
saying
Nierika:
mysticism is one avenue...mystical
awareness
Nierika:
shamanic awareness is another -- called
by Mircea Eliade the vehical for ecstasy
Nierika:
of course, there is spontaneous
experience, the ah ha types...
Wingsoligh:
Its Not My fault I have dislexia
Nierika:
anyone else have any thoughts about
avenues...to ecstatic awareness
KAT3NHM:
anyone here consider themselves a
deist?
Nierika:
and what is it anyway? why would we
want to have it?
Quest
of balance: maybe meditation,
Nierika.
TESLA21058:
meditation, yoga, etc
Nierika:
oh...absolutely Quest...merci beaucoups
Quest
of balance: yes, yoga.
Nierika:
yes...sufi dancing...
Wingsoligh:
tHAT Somthing like spirutual awareness
Nierika:
many cultural methods of reaching
ecstatic states
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Wingsoligh:
The soul or the psyche
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, we are discussing about
how we grew up with
RBCF
3000: society's beliefs and ways of
thinking and seeing, and how we
RBCF
3000: can get back to seeing the way
little children and even animals
RBCF
3000: do-- make sense?
Nierika:
<~~I seek it/experience it because
when I do I feel connected with All...
Nierika:
and All is a part of me and I of the
All
Nierika:
and this is bliss unimagined
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, yes, I think you have
the idea
Wingsoligh:
Oh I was abused
Quest
of balance: oh, I do wish I could
stay but I cant. Thank you for
Quest
of balance: having me.
Wingsoligh:
I always Thaught I was evil
Nierika:
{{{{Wings}}}}} me too... you are/were
never evil...of course
LunaticZen:
the
"noblesavage" idea...
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, a lot of sensitives
were abused as children-- it
Dakopp2:
evil is an illusion
RBCF
3000: seems to help us understand others,
no?
Wingsoligh:
when I was little by age 14 I had had A spirit guide
Wingsoligh:
I thaught I was nuts
Nierika:
shamanic awareness as ecstatic -- the
healed healer...
RBCF
3000: Dakopp, it gets real enough if we
feed it with our attention,
RBCF
3000: right?
TESLA21058:
others yes 3K...but self?
RBCF
3000: TESLA, others what? I think I missed the point here.
Wingsoligh:
Yes but Grpowning up catholic
SheBeastMstr:
<missed the point
Nierika:
Who
has experienced ecstacy? and how? what is the purpose?
James7289:
::::whoosh:::
Wingsoligh:
My mom always used to say durring A tanturum That the devil was in
me
TESLA21058:
helps to understand others
3000...but we
TESLA21058:
have a very hard time with
understanding
TESLA21058:
and accepting self
LunaticZen:
< has experienced ecstacy
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, at least you knew what
you had-- it took me much
RBCF
3000: longer to understand what was going
on with me.
Dakopp2:
if you believe in it you only create it
for you ....
Wingsoligh:
I asosiated That with the excorsist
SheBeastMstr:
i think i have to
Nierika:
also percussion -- drumming,
rattling...and singing -- chanting...are vehicles
LunaticZen:
"what is found now is found
then " Kabir
RBCF
3000: TESLA, yes, we have (are?) a
built-in blind spot, right?
Wingsoligh:
Rbcf I am still nuturing The child
Nierika:
Wings...you were blessed with a helper
to assist you in healing and growing
TESLA21058:
yes 3K..that is what I meant
RBCF
3000: LunaticZen, in meditation, or in
intense emotional crisis?
Giggle6210:
Dakopp what if you were taught to
believe things for day after day after week after month
FlowrNtheWind:
?
Giggle6210:
for years?? How do you undo that??
TESLA21058:
I can see in others what I can't
seem to see in me sometimes
LunaticZen:
3000 more an extended mediataion i
imagine...
LunaticZen:
crisis infers negative
experience yes?
Wingsoligh:
Now I see That my mom was verry abusive with her words
Nierika:
You can undo it anytime...as soon as
you realize it is possible
LunaticZen:
as opposed to intense?
RBCF
3000: LunaticZen, I found myself
inventing techniques for doing that
RBCF
3000: before I knew that they were
techniques
Wingsoligh:
used to drink Witch to This day I
rarly drink
LucidDreamweaver:
Giggle.. You must examine your
beliefs and ask your self what purpose do they serve
Nierika:
crisis also refers to opportunity...
LunaticZen:
for
extending the med?
Wingsoligh:
I think I am finaly healing
RBCF
3000: FlowrNtheWind, do you have a
question?
James7289:
:::puts on shades to see Lucids font:::::
Dakopp2:
you must chage all of past belives by
findig inner self..Giggle
Wingsoligh:
The bigest step Was letting goi of My dad
TESLA21058:
me too James...reading minds
again LOL
Nierika:
in shamanic tradition, the ecstatic
state is often preceeded by a physical or emotional
Nierika:
crisis
LucidDreamweaver:
then you can begin changing the
belief so a more better one
Giggle6210:
Lucid they serve keeping me safe
from a world I view as unsafe and scary
Wingsoligh:
and allowing anouther to comfort me
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, I find that the more
psychic I allow myself to be,
RBCF
3000: the more dyslexic I seem to
get. I can't even think
"rationally"
RBCF
3000: any more
Nierika:
{{{{Wings}}}} you are very brave to
share so openly...thank you
Wingsoligh:
]=0
TESLA21058:
here too 3000
LunaticZen:
agreed Nierik sometimes self induced (most times?)
Wingsoligh:
AM verry Psychic
LunaticZen:
by internal philosophy
Wingsoligh:
=)
Sndynasty:
Nierikka
it was true for me, I broke over when stressed beyond belief
Nierika:
well...that depends on how you view
life itself, Zen...
Wingsoligh:
But many Thinkers were
RBCF
3000: TESLA, do you find that you have to
read everything 3 times
RBCF
3000: before you know what it says?
Wingsoligh:
Einstien
LunaticZen:
that it would Nier <smile> agreed
Wingsoligh:
gahndi
Nierika:
yes...me too Sndy...and the shattering
turned into blossoming...and ecstacy
Nierika:
of course, I still struggle
TESLA21058:
yes 3000...and sometimes walk away
and come back to it after a break
Nierika:
I am not making a case for self-induced
trauma...or any trauma for that matter
Nierika:
Yes Zen <g>
Wingsoligh:
Evin Winstion churchil had some
learning problems
TESLA21058:
I even have to do it to some of your
words here tonight...though I know them already
Garmar67:
Love it when someone talks Shaman
LunaticZen:
i think personal death experience
does much to facilitate...
Sndynasty:
LOL, Nierika, but trauma happens, and
according to some, results in ego death, and then
LunaticZen:
the ponderings that lead to growth...
Giggle6210:
I just can't seem to latch on to any
ecstatic awareness, I have a core belief that I can't
Sndynasty:
development
Giggle6210:
learn...goodnight
Garmar67:
Einstien....is he related to
"Frankensteen?"
Nierika:
Garmar :-) a comrade on the shamanic
path...???
LunaticZen:
or can lead to... that is
Starborn50:
hi room
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, one of the most psychic
people I ever met wrote
RBCF
3000: like a little child-- very hard for
her to focus down to that level
RBCF
3000: of detail, it seems.
Wingsoligh:
grma no
Nierika:
Yes...Sndy...this is one of the key
elements of the shamanic path
Wingsoligh:
I think I latch on to my child
Nierika:
the ego death...
Wingsoligh:
due to mY PAST LIFE
Garmar67:
Nier....you can call me
"comarade" anytime
Nierika:
often in very dramatic ways
Wingsoligh:
DINENG AS ONE
Wingsoligh:
oops caps
TESLA21058:
3000, do you find you sometimes
struggle with everyday common word definitions too?
Nierika:
ah...thanks Garmar :-) same here
Garmar67:
Fallen007:
Hello what the topic
TESLA21058:
reread the same paragraph
deciphering, using a dictionary even
RBCF
3000: TESLA, for sure! I feel really extraterrestrial sometimes.
Wingsoligh:
Butv The thing was for 25 years I
repressed My childhood memorys
Nierika:
I feel intraterrestrial :-)
TESLA21058:
:::whew::: then I am in good company
FlowrNtheWind:
What exactly are we talking about
anything directly?
Nierika:
yes...Wings
Wingsoligh:
Until I saw a hypnotherapist
JeannieJ1:
what time is this over?
Yogi
Salguod: me too Wings
LunaticZen:
i am very happy and content with my
terrestialness ...
LunaticZen:
lol
Nierika:
We are talking about the experience of
ecstatic awareness, Flower
RBCF
3000: Fallen, we are having the first
class on Ecstatic Awareness--
RBCF
3000: please enjoy!
RBCF
3000: Ok, let's look a bit more at
tonight's lessons, so please hold
RBCF
3000: comments for a couple of minutes...
Garmar67:
It's over when the skinny Shaman
sings
LucidDreamweaver:
Please continue
Yogi
Salguod: but I saw no hypnotherapist
Nierika:
LOL
JeannieJ1:
lol
RBCF
3000: ******** continuing ********
JeannieJ1:
please
Wingsoligh:
Now I do have some memorys
Garmar67:
or drums
Nierika:
:::sitting up in chair...paying
attention:::
RBCF
3000: One very common theme in the old
stories, is that certain
RBCF
3000: mortals come to the attention of
Spirit, and are compelled
RBCF
3000: to undertake a journey through
death, through the
Nierika:
or rattles :-)
RBCF 3000:
underworld, where they must pass various
tests, any of
RBCF
3000: which would doom their souls.
Nierika:
or smudges...
JeannieJ1:
thanks you
Garmar67:
lol
Wingsoligh:
I had To find My teacher Befor I
actualy Strted healing
FlowrNtheWind:
Nierika, I am aware of that I was just
urious as to what directly
FlowrNtheWind:
astro projestion
RBCF
3000: ******* please hold comments a bit
********
Yogi
Salguod: what does that mean 3000?
Nierika:
yes...the hero's (heroine's)
journey...the shamanic crisis
FlowrNtheWind:
phsyic ability
RBCF
3000: Examples of these tests can be
found in any "Indiana
RBCF
3000: Jones" movie but, generally,
the hardest tests are the
RBCF
3000: inner ones, involving trust and the
overcoming of
FlowrNtheWind:
etc...
RBCF
3000: temptation or blaming.
RBCF
3000: Then our hero must find a certain
treasure and bring it
RBCF
3000: back to the upper world, past
either demon guardians or
RBCF
3000: some other challenge which has to
be met with faith, skill,
RBCF
3000: cunning, endurance or even blind
luck.
Nierika:
There are quite a few good examples of
these tests in the Carlos Casteneda books
Garmar67:
ahhhh.....lay some of that Journey stuff
on me...c'mon Joe Campbell..where are ya?
Wingsoligh:
Yes Thats true
RBCF
3000: If the candidate somehow manages to
pass all these tests,
RBCF
3000: he may still die, but then his love
and faith may attract
RBCF
3000: allies to find him (or his
dismembered pieces!) and bring
RBCF
3000: him to the attention of the gods
for resurrection.
LunaticZen:
Power of Myth
Yogi
Salguod: 3000 are you talking from
experience or just the seeking of knowledge?
Nierika:
ahh...Joe Campbell indeed...the latest
Star Wars would have done well to have had his input
Nierika:
as did the others
Ddreamtime1:
(((((((((((room)))
Wingsoligh:
I have to get going room mucvh lIght
glad To see a spirtual discussion
Nierika:
yes...dismemberment...is part of the
journey...the ego death
RBCF
3000: Yogi Salguod, both, really
Nierika:
has anyone experienced this?
Garmar67:
Star Wars....stole old Joe Campbell's
ideas...without paying him a dime or footnote!!!
Nierika:
blessings Wings
LunaticZen:
welcome DDreamy =)
Yogi
Salguod: cool:))
Wingsoligh:
Light oops
Nierika:
oh...but he consulted directly with
Lucas
Garmar67:
but.....where was the recognition?
RBCF
3000: Yogi Salguod, every shaman or
priest worth their salt has to go
RBCF
3000: thru such a journey, now as much as
thousands of years ago,
Nierika:
well...perhaps he did not need it
Garmar
RBCF
3000: right?
Dakopp2:
Consciousness does not directly apply
to what most consider physical reality..
Yogi
Salguod: yes
Garmar67:
true....but a footnote would have been
nice
Nierika:
after all, he was highly recognized
already...do you think...
Nierika:
yes...RBCF...every one
Ddreamtime1:
hi
Luna thanks
Nierika:
we all have different versions of this
journey, I believe
AutumnPath3:
(left the room for a minute and came
back to Star Wars
RBCF
3000: Dakopp, what distinction are you
making? Most of what we call
RBCF
3000: "physical reality" is
just an indoctrinated "agreement", I find.
LunaticZen:
your welcome Dear have a chair
Log
Count: There were 28 member(s) in The New
Age at 08:30 PM
Garmar67:
gotta run.....everyone have a great
week.....journey.....etc.
Nierika:
blessings Garmar
LunaticZen:
see ya Gar
LunaticZen:
< gotta run soon
DunRanull:
mm y'all
LunaticZen:
3000 that would be language?
Dakopp2:
most find physical reality the only one
LucidDreamweaver:
what he is saying is that not all of
our conciousness is focused in this reality
LunaticZen:
is a tool as well
RBCF
3000: ** That's actually a good
question-- how many of us subscribe
RBCF
3000: to the notion that there is some
external "objective" reality "out
RBCF
3000: there"?
LunaticZen:
language has been found to be hard
wired into brain
LunaticZen:
by some research...
TESLA21058:
physical reality is a prison
RBCF
3000: LunaticZen, only in that language
reflects each cultures biases,
RBCF
3000: no?
LunaticZen:
:::readin 3000:::
Nierika:
no external objective reality -- only
various and sundry agreements
Ddreamtime1:
mm Ranall
JLook91968:
physial reality is a parabol as well
RBCF
3000: LunaticZen, sure, it does get wired
in-- that's one reason it is
Nierika:
and so has enlightenment...hard and
softwired
RBCF
3000: so hard to undo. But it IS
possible...
LunaticZen:
cultural biases? hmmm.... certainly reflects defines even culture
LunaticZen:
a major part there of
LunaticZen:
goes back to various aryan
semite oriental et al
LunaticZen:
differences in ways of thinking
Dakopp2:
there are other realities,just as valid
as this one
LunaticZen:
3000 i don't wish to undo it myself... why would i wish to be without
language?
TESLA21058:
but is it thinking...or faith? big difference there
RBCF
3000: LunaticZen, sure-- if you took an
African Bushman or a
RBCF
3000: Trobriand Islander, they wouldn't
be able to describe any of the
RBCF
3000: features of "our reality"
to themselves, and therefore wouldn't
RBCF
3000: SEE most of it. Try this out with your cat or dog
JLook91968:
esctatic stuff is just another
language
TESLA21058:
LOL
LunaticZen:
3000 not of mine but of their
own they would...they can...
LunaticZen:
describe reality in their own terms
Nierika:
for example...the response of some
primal cultures to the photograph
RBCF
3000: LunaticZen, after we sort out our
indoctrinated beliefs, our
RBCF
3000: language becomes much more precise
and powerful, I find.
Nierika:
and intentional...RBCF
LunaticZen:
i totally agree
Yogi
Salguod: you mean most of it doesn't
matter
TESLA21058:
<nodding>
LunaticZen:
words can be sharp as scapels swords
sharper as the sayin goes
RBCF
3000: ** Similarly, we do not see most of
what actually exists for us
RBCF
3000: in *objective reality*, if such
even exists.
Hiliosport:
Hello
LunaticZen:
but there must be agreement...and
LunaticZen:
a giving up of certain
"freedom" such as...
SapphireSpirit:
hello
RBCF
3000: Yogi Salguod, everything both
matters and does not matter,
RBCF
3000: right?
LunaticZen:
the freedom to define a word as you
please as many i find in chat would
have it <smile>
LunaticZen:
maledevtox :::coughcough:::
Yogi
Salguod: yes 3000
RBCF
3000: LunaticZen, yes-- words can create
and destroy universes
LunaticZen:
<jibejibe>
Yogi
Salguod: but mostly doesn't matter
Yogi
Salguod: :))
LunaticZen:
3000 only in mind of humans
Dakopp2:
dream reality is more real than
physical reality
LunaticZen:
not
external Universe we aint that
important!
LunaticZen:
lol
LunaticZen:
ya know?
Ddreamtime1:
:) luna
RBCF
3000: LunaticZen, is there somewhere else
where "realities" exist, but
Yogi
Salguod: yep Zen
RBCF
3000: in the Mind?
LunaticZen:
or... do ya think we can?
Nierika:
What happened to ecstacy?
LunaticZen:
i dont know 3000 i only seek to know ...
LunaticZen:
my own Mind
LunaticZen:
and I find the Universe
Yogi
Salguod: yes
LunaticZen:
part of package part
parcel
JLook91968:
launguage can define the tree or the
forest, but seldom both at the same time
SapphireSpirit:
this is a tough topic..
RBCF
3000: LunaticZen, I don't know if I'd
call that a freedom-- once we
RBCF
3000: agree on a glossary, the real
freedom is in understanding each
RBCF
3000: other, not being
"creative" with meanings, but losing our
RBCF
3000: communication, no?
Yogi
Salguod: and JL what one feels
sometimes has no language
Yogi
Salguod: :))
RBCF
3000: SapphireSpirit, that's why we'll be
sitting here for 25 weeks
FReeKly1:
hey
SapphireSpirit:
hehe
LunaticZen:
i agree with you there 3000... words
are for communication...not obfuscation
Nierika:
I hope we get to ecstacy during that
time...
FReeKly1:
what?
JLook91968:
yes, or just a sylable or
two... :))
TESLA21058:
oh yes 3K
LunaticZen:
depends on intent of user i guess...
Yogi
Salguod: lol
LunaticZen:
words are a tool can be used many ways
RBCF
3000: *** Ok, I have a little bit more
about the role of mythology and
RBCF
3000: such...
LunaticZen:
like any tool
Ddreamtime1:
Lunatic you are always and ever
the best mind and sweetest
LunaticZen:
ok...
RBCF
3000: ... so please hold comments again
for a few
RBCF
3000: ***************
LucidDreamweaver:
Please continue
JLook91968:
try learning the language of the
wind in the leaves
LunaticZen:
o Dreamy you kill me
RBCF
3000: Another ancient theme is that the
gods bestow a Gift of
RBCF
3000: Knowledge to a certain group of
people who then work
RBCF
3000: with it, usually over a period of
decades, and sometimes
RBCF
3000: hundreds of years, until they are
able to generate a sort of
RBCF
3000: "divine wave-form" under
certain specific conditions.
LunaticZen:
thats you the Sweetest Darlin
LunaticZen:
=)
sorry rb
RBCF
3000: Outerly these would often look like
religious rituals or
RBCF
3000: vision quests to us, or sometimes
like the frenzies of
RBCF
3000: tribes-people or the religious
festivals of Asia.
FReeKly1:
what kind of name is lunaticZen???
RBCF
3000: If the bestowed group had developed
their individual
RBCF
3000: attentions and the other qualities
needed, and learned to
RBCF
3000: work together in unison, they may
achieve miraculous or
RBCF
3000: sorceric events, or even what may
be called "the virgin
RBCF
3000: birth of the deity" in which
Divine Essence coalesces in
RBCF
3000: enough concentration that it is not
only perceivable, but
LunaticZen:
<stiffleschuckle>
RBCF
3000: may even act on the level of the
witnesses.
LunaticZen:
shew gotta read up RB...one sec
Yogi
Salguod: lol 3000
RBCF
3000: ********* Do you all see where this
is going?
SapphireSpirit:
(I am like so lost...) this sounds like something I want to know
about though
FlowrNtheWind:
nope not a clue
Yogi
Salguod: not I
FReeKly1:
what am i talking about my name is
freaklt1
SnoLitNite:
yeah.....off my screen! wait for me?
RBCF
3000: SapphireSpirit, it takes a while--
it took me 4 decades to get
RBCF
3000: this stuff down, so don't feel bad
Ddreamtime1:
<looking at lunas chuckling and smiling >
Dakopp2:
mass consciousness
LucidDreamweaver:
Yes I think I do 3000
SapphireSpirit:
ok 3k
JLook91968:
try being invisble to the naked eye in the middle of the forest
Yogi
Salguod: that is where I seem to
disagree, 3000. now it does not take that long
TESLA21058:
one witness 3000..or every witness
FReeKly1:
hey dream, how old are you??
LunaticZen:
yogi happened to me in an instant
RBCF
3000: **** So this stuff goes quite
beyond ghosts, ETs, elves and
RBCF
3000: humunculoids, do you see?
RBCF
3000: TESLA, everyone participating is a
Witness (martyr)
FlowrNtheWind:
I am just sitting on the floor looking
up at the wall in awwwwwe
LunaticZen:
:::freshes up DDs drink:::
Yogi
Salguod: well some would say that
instant was the result of many lives zen
Yogi
Salguod: but I agree
LunaticZen:
yes agreed
Yogi
Salguod: with you
TESLA21058:
My perception 3K...just checking
DunRanull:
you're talking about an Immanent Epiphany
of GOD among humanity?
LunaticZen:
not just a little work in this one
too <=)
FReeKly1:
will someone talk to me ???
LunaticZen:
as you know
LucidDreamweaver:
You are saying that if all of us
inlighted ones would unite we could create a new age
LunaticZen:
Hi Freek! :::wavin:::
Ddreamtime1:
<TO lUNA thank youdear >
LucidDreamweaver:
Is this it 3000?
FReeKly1:
whats up??
RBCF
3000: TESLA, in the inner chamber, they
never have spectators-- so
RBCF
3000: they have some tricks to show in
the outer courts of the
Yogi
Salguod: no Lucid we are all one
RBCF
3000: temples.
Dakopp2:
yes ....luicd
LunaticZen:
Freek we are following the RBCFs...in convo...
Yogi
Salguod: and we will walk together
LucidDreamweaver:
Yes
FReeKly1:
no
LunaticZen:
about physical reality and
Spirituality i think anyway...
LunaticZen:
and
the "ecastic"
RBCF
3000: LucidDreamweaver, unite in very
particular ways, which I will be
RBCF
3000: describing in coming weeks and
months (years?)
TESLA21058:
yes 3K...all volunteers
LunaticZen:
yes RB?
LucidDreamweaver:
Great
RBCF
Arwen: Freek...this is a topic chat,
please wait 15 more minutes for free chat
FReeKly1:
ok
Yogi
Salguod: 3000 you know there is not
such thing as time
LunaticZen:
<heehee>
Log
Count: There were 26 member(s) in The New
Age at 08:45 PM
RBCF
Arwen: thank you
RBCF
3000: Yogi Salguod, exactly right, but
also not right. In ego mode, I
RBCF
3000: sequence the events of my
perception, but in ecstatic mode, it
RBCF
3000: is in eternity.
LunaticZen:
time keeps on slippin slippin...
Yogi
Salguod: it is an illusion appearing
real
LunaticZen:
"what is found now is found
then " Kabir
RBCF
3000: ********** It is getting late, so
let me roll out the rest of the
RBCF
3000: text for tonight, and then we can
have free discussion about it,
RBCF
3000: ok?
TESLA21058:
and again
Yogi
Salguod: go on my friend
RBCF
3000: (continuing..........................)
LunaticZen:
ok RB
TESLA21058:
ok!
LucidDreamweaver:
Yes please do
LunaticZen:
< enjoyin chat
RBCF
3000: Every slightest act or utterance by
this invoked deity is
RBCF
3000: exactly a miracle, and <its>
Presence is Power -- it
RBCF
3000: changes the being of the people who
come into <its>
RBCF
3000: orb, and it changes *facts*-- the
elements and sequences
RBCF
3000: of a given reality.
RBCF 3000:
In the course of this class we will
examine ways in which
RBCF
3000: these miraculous events have been
set up and
RBCF
3000: accomplished, and also how they
have been perverted
RBCF
3000: into myths, religious
establishments, cults, degradation
RBCF
3000: and often the exact opposite of
what they were originally
RBCF
3000: intended to do.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: This is because the Miraculous does
not and can not fit
RBCF
3000: into the mold of a society-- it is
not something that the
RBCF
3000: priests of a society (including the
priests of science) can
RBCF
3000: control or monopolize, it is not
something that can be
RBCF
3000: defined in terms of anything that
is "known," and it is not
RBCF
3000: even perceivable in the states of
consciousness deemed
RBCF
3000: "normal" by the rules of
a society.
LunaticZen:
< didnt understand this was a
"class" sorry for disruption
3000
Ddreamtime1:
yes thats what chat rooms are about non?
LunaticZen:
but
excellent material
LunaticZen:
I enjoyed the eve
Yogi
Salguod: no comment
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: We know that we cannot observe
gamma rays, radio
RBCF
3000: waves, neutrinos or quarks with the
naked eye, nor with
RBCF
3000: any optical instrument; and yet,
with the right kinds of
RBCF
3000: instruments, these events are not
only reliably recorded,
RBCF
3000: but have become commonplace.
LunaticZen:
whoops lol...
RBCF
3000: So it is with the events of
ecstatic awareness-- if we
RBCF
3000: know where and how to look for it,
we will see that the
RBCF
3000: proper instruments have been
available to us for
RBCF
3000: thousands of years.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: The transmissions and methods I
have been describing
RBCF
3000: may also form a *school* in which a
chain of such
RBCF
3000: groups may form in different
places, continuing from a
RBCF
3000: generation or two, to as much as
1,000 years.
RBCF
3000: The Essenes and the Gnostics are
purported to be in
RBCF
3000: these lineages, and the schools of
ancient Egypt and
RBCF
3000: Atlantis became the backbones of
their societies, at least
RBCF
3000: until their leadership no longer
could remain in direct
RBCF
3000: connection with their aetheric
sources.
RBCF
3000: .
LunaticZen:
there were schools in atlantis?
RBCF
3000: As distorted as these ancient
instruments and recordings
RBCF
3000: have become, I think it is
astonishing how much usable
RBCF
3000: material has endured in them.
LunaticZen:
< slips out >
TESLA21058:
ageless and timeless
RBCF
3000: For example, it is commonly thought
that many of these
RBCF
3000: are merely fortune-telling devices:
Tarot, I-ching, the
RBCF
3000: Kabbalah, Ouija, runes, the
enneagram, and so on. But
RBCF 3000:
those who are equipped to *read* these
instruments can
RBCF
3000: set up specific alchemic and
supernatural experiments in
Ddreamtime1:
folows zen as always
RBCF
3000: themselves and their surroundings,
ultimately leading to
RBCF
3000: encounters with Beings of the other
layers and
RBCF
3000: dimensionalities.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Similarly, the various yogas and
martial arts have
RBCF
3000: devolved to health and self-defense
exercises for many
RBCF
3000: people, whereas they were
originally given as methods of
RBCF
3000: storing Knowledge and Power in the
several bodies of
RBCF
3000: which we are composed.
RBCF
3000: I hope you notice that, when I
refer to Knowledge with a
RBCF
3000: capital-K, I am not speaking of the
information-diarrhea
RBCF
3000: that our civilization has sunk
into, but rather to a state of
RBCF
3000: connectedness, understanding of the
place of everything,
RBCF
3000: and access to the positions of
holistic memory within our
RBCF 3000:
being.
RBCF
3000: It is also very common for us to
collect these instruments of Power and Knowledge into museums, and relegate
them to being cultural artifacts, "primitive art," or even just
curiosities when, to a sorcerer or a man-of-knowledge, the objects belong to
the location in which they were found, and could do immeasurable harm to
ignorant and unprepared "scholars" and those with whom they come into
contact.
RBCF
3000: I have yet to see a horror film
which does not warn of these dangers, often quite accurately. But only very
rarely do I see any portrayal of what may occur when magical objects or
vortexes are encountered by people of advanced Knowledge and preparation. Of these we will speak in later sessions of
this course.
RBCF
3000: Finally we come to the religions.
They are, by far, the
RBCF
3000: biggest irony, because they are
recordings of actual
RBCF
3000: encounters with the supernatural,
and of transmissions
RBCF
3000: received from those realms.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Furthermore, they have managed to
pass along right up
RBCF
3000: to the present, although with
absurd distortions of
RBCF
3000: significance, the procedures that
they used for their
RBCF
3000: astounding achievements of opening
the gateways and
RBCF
3000: encountering the primordial
Intelligence behind everything
RBCF
3000: that seems to be occurring in
"our world."
RBCF
3000: Now, however, the religions have
almost entirely become
RBCF
3000: collections of empty formalities,
even though many of
RBCF
3000: these formalities would work
perfectly well for their
RBCF
3000: intended purpose if their
significance were only
RBCF
3000: understood.
RBCF
3000: And then, there would be no
sermons, because the
RBCF
3000: priests would be servants for
maintaining the integrity of
RBCF
3000: the field, and every participant
would receive the
RBCF
3000: transmission directly, in states of
grace-- that is, ecstatic
RBCF
3000: awareness.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: It is also possible to to explain
these types of events in
RBCF
3000: purely personal, internal terms. We
don't have to believe
RBCF
3000: that there are strange other worlds
populated with
RBCF
3000: incomprehensible beings who
sometimes cross over into
RBCF
3000: "our" world; all of these
descriptions are, after all, just
RBCF
3000: metaphorical approximations and
silhouettes.
RBCF
3000: We could just as well say that the
whole way we see the
RBCF
3000: world is one of many possible
descriptions of a dream,
RBCF
3000: or a whole series of dreams going
on all at once. The
RBCF
3000: nice thing about this paradigm is
that it makes each of us
RBCF
3000: the God of our own dream-universe.
RBCF
3000: ******** Ok, that's all the reading
I'll ask you to do tonight--
RBCF
3000: what are your thoughts or
questions?
FlowrNtheWind:
my brain hurts......................lol
LucidDreamweaver:
That was a bit intense there 3000
FlowrNtheWind:
this is just alot to take in at once
JLook91968:
<~handing Flor a old compress
TESLA21058:
excellent chattage 3000...thanks so
much for bringing this to the forground
LucidDreamweaver:
interesting but intense
Nierika:
I wish to know how others here have
personally experienced any of these states of being...
Alisnntrnt:
i love it!! hehehe
Nierika:
and thank you for an information packed
class :-)
James7289:
RBCF 3000, would you consider emailing
the lecture portion of this chat to us?
TESLA21058:
great idea James!
JLook91968:
yes!!
Dakopp2:
probabilities, each thought creates
another....
TESLA21058:
this is a keeper
SnoLitNite:
have copied this to read
over.......and over again. ;))
Yogi
Salguod: 3000 not many understand what
you are talking about
RBCF
3000: Yes, I will email the text to
anyone who emails me for it.
Nierika:
:::clapping::: great class!
SnoLitNite:
good!
RBCF
Arwen: ::applause::
RBCF
3000: Yogi Salguod, that's why I've got
this structured for 25 weeks
Yogi
Salguod: hehe
SnoLitNite:
:running to mail room::
RBCF
3000: ::::::::: bows humbly :::::::::
Alisnntrnt:
mail sent
JLook91968:
would this be a begining of a
definition if spirtiuality?
FlowrNtheWind:
this all just went way over my head
TESLA21058:
thank you 3000...a very enjoyable
evening
TESLA21058:
and a lot to ponder
James7289:
Yes indeed, Thanks
Nierika:
for some...JL...it might be the only
definition
Alisnntrnt:
yes, thanks 3k
Dakopp2:
thank you
RBCF
3000: JLook, I worry about calling it
spirituality, since that is so
RBCF
3000: personal and subjective, whereas
these practices lead to
RBCF
3000: objective consciiousness.
RBCF
Arwen: As always....stupefying ;z0
SapphireSpirit:
lol
James7289:
objective consciousness seems like a
contradiction in terms
Nierika:
it does, James LOL
JLook91968:
true, but the brain has a tendency
to catalogue
SnoLitNite:
is a great class....my request is in
;) thx 3000
RBCF
3000: James, I understand what you mean,
but it helps to identify
RBCF
3000: where we are going with this.
Nierika:
Om shanti RBCF 3000 *
James7289:
I agree.. I think I knew what you meant
3K
Log
Count: There were 22 member(s) in The New
Age at 09:00 PM
RBCF
3000: I will stick around for a while and
talk some more...
BelovedMuse:
Owlie too
LucidDreamweaver:
Yes please do 3000
Nierika:
have you ever noticed, Owl...how we
often seem to be wearing the same color :-)
Dakopp2:
some Jung,perhaps?
RBCF
3000: Next week: survey of modern
mystical teachings like 4th
RBCF
3000: way and don Juan.
Nierika:
RBCF...will you have any kind of a
reminder email?
Nierika:
to folks like me who can't keep one
though next to another for more than a minute
RBCF
3000: Nierika, are you getting my weekly
newsletter?
Nierika:
oh...yes...it will be in there then...I
knew I saw this somewhere
OWLSprit9:
3K......I would like the newsletter,
please
RBCF
3000: OWLSprit, gotcha
RBCF
3000: **** What about arguments? I can't believe nobody wants to
RBCF
3000: argue about these ideas
Jillzbeth:
I embrace those ideas
Nierika:
I would like to discuss them, RBCF
3000, but argue...no not really
RBCF
3000: Nierika, ok, discuss is nice too
Nierika:
I would like to know who has
experienced these states...and how...
JLook91968:
we just haven't gotten around to it.
lol
Nierika:
who has experienced the symbolic
death...
RBCF
3000: OWLSprit, hold on-- I'll mail you
the text.......
Nierika:
who has experienced ecstacy...
Nierika:
who has used any means, technique,
etc...for any of this and what they are...
Nierika:
etc.
Nierika:
:::sitting back to see if anyone has
anything to share:::
JPulsipher:
I have jp
BelovedMuse:
lol Nierika. you first
OWLSprit9:
ecstacy is a 'death'?? interesting thought
JPulsipher:
why do you say that
Nierika:
well...I have experienced all of
it...the symbolic death...the ecstacy...
Nierika:
I have used every and any means
available...
Nierika:
who?
LucidDreamweaver:
Well I dare say I have too Nierika
BelovedMuse:
i could tell you some things, Nier, but
ya wouldn't believe me..so i won't do it here..
Nierika:
I couldn't not hug you, Graz...of
course :-)
Nierika:
I would totally believe you Beloved.
:-) and Lucid :-)
LucidDreamweaver:
what beloved said
Nierika:
Can you share how you experienced any
of these...what was the "form" or the "metaphor"
Nierika:
{{{{{{{Blue}}}}}}} nice to see you
again <g>
LucidDreamweaver:
Stuggle with inner good and evil was
the format of mine
Blue
woofs: Nierika...it's good to be
seen...hehe
Nierika:
:::thinking about a re-enactment of my
symbolic death::: :-)
Blue
woofs: thanks...
Nierika:
ahh...mine was the symbolic ego
death...dismemberment by Eagle
Nierika:
rather frightening and messy until I
let go...
BelovedMuse:
its the letting go that is the key
Nierika
Nierika:
yes...Beloved...isn't it though...and
always the hardest thing to come by
Nierika:
until it isn't
Nierika:
:-)
GrazHoppr:
( is this still scheduled chat )
Nierika:
not that it's up to me to say so, of
course
BelovedMuse:
(graz - Nier is pushing for rcbf)
Nierika:
No...please...anything but that
OWLSprit9:
I'm gonna defer comments til I read 3K's
text.....I will definitely share then.
Nierika:
They are here for any who wish to
continue the discussion, I believe
Nierika:
:::in a tragic gesture:::
BELNCANDLE:
May the spirits that are and those
that will be sit at the head of your bed and sing you
BELNCANDLE:
softly to sleep
Nierika:
that was lovely Bel...*
RBCF
3000: JeannieJ, oh, don't mind me, unless
you'd like to discuss the
RBCF
3000: ideas I presented.
Dakopp2:
EGO,is the most physically oriented
portion of the conscious inner self
Blue
woofs: I have one question
concerning spirits...aren't they suppose to be off progressing as we
Blue
woofs: envision ourselfs?
RBCF
3000: Dakopp, if so, why does ego take us
OUT of our bodies and our
RBCF
3000: feelings?
Sndynasty:
Very well, Beloved
Nierika:
what about the bodhissatva, then,
woofs...
Nierika:
or the idea that until all of us
"get there," none of us do...
Blue
woofs: in other words...doesn't the
action of them waiting at tunnels end seem nonproductive ?
GrazHoppr:
me thinks it's impossible for "all
of us" to get there, in one bunch
Dakopp2:
ego stays behind ,on astral traval
BelovedMuse:
<~thinks of Heaven's gate
Nierika:
not in a bunch...and in a bunch...time,
after all, is an illusion
Nierika:
<~~now thinking of Bob Dylan
...knock, knock, knockin' on Heaven's Door
RBCF
3000: Ok, I'm kinda tired anyhow-- feel
free to write me if you have
Blue
woofs: I mean...if my dead dad is
waiting on my death, isn't that holding him back for evolving?
RBCF
3000: any comments or questions. Thank
you all for a lively
RBCF
3000: discussion!
GrazHoppr:
there were 7 at one time, like,,,,,,,,,,,,,why,
lol